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#1 DKE_XP120

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Posted 12 May 2005 - 01:50 PM

Villian is 26/3/0.57Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is MP1 with [Qs], [Ks]. 2 folds, Hero calls.Flop: (7.50 SB) [5d], [2c], [9c] (2 players)Hero checks, MP2 checks.Turn: (3.75 BB) [Qd] (2 players)Hero bets, Hero calls.River: (7.75 BB) [8h] (2 players)Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.Final Pot: 9.75 BBQuestion:should I have called him down after his turn raise?

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Posted 12 May 2005 - 01:52 PM

I prolly bet this flop....fold to a raisegh

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Posted 12 May 2005 - 01:57 PM

I wouldn't oppose a turn three bet. He could be firing with AJd, AK, or even QJ. If's he got AQ, AA, or KK, that sucks.Best alternative to your play is probably a bet/fold on the river.
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Posted 12 May 2005 - 02:01 PM

I'd probably play it the same way you did.

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Posted 12 May 2005 - 02:04 PM

XXEddie said:

I prolly bet this flop....fold to a raisegh
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Posted 12 May 2005 - 02:08 PM

wow. his flop check is very suspicious. That usually means a monster, or he's being a putz with overcards. I'd be tempted to cr the turn, but his raise says that you're beat. I think folding to the raise might be too tight, gbut his ag factor says that you are up against a wall here. I don't think calling it down is bad here, but folding TP2K might not be bad either. I'd be more open to calling down w/AQ rather then KQ
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Posted 12 May 2005 - 02:09 PM

Given his stats he is pretty limited to what he is going to be 3-betting pre-flop.His flop check is decieving.Villian has AA KK or QQ.
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Posted 12 May 2005 - 02:10 PM

The more I think about it, it's probably AA or KK.Otherwise his check on the flop sucks.
i saw him at the riverbank. he was breaking bread and giving thanks. with crosses made of pipes and planks. leaned up against the nitrous tanks.
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Posted 12 May 2005 - 02:15 PM

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The more I think about it, it's probably AA or KK.Otherwise his check on the flop sucks.
I'm thinking of those two hands too. His stats indicate that he may check AK and threebet PF with them. You know what though, I hate relying on stats for reads, DKE, what have his actions been before, what has he shown down. This will tell you all you need to know more then stats
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Posted 12 May 2005 - 02:21 PM

I didnt really see any of his showdowns, I should have mentioned I dont have many hands on him, he had KK, like most of you suspected

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Posted 12 May 2005 - 02:40 PM

Absolute said:

Given his stats he is pretty limited to what he is going to be 3-betting pre-flop.His flop check is decieving.
I do hope by "Deceiving" you mean "Screams 'HELLO I HAVE A BIG POCKET PAIR AND AM GOING FOR A CHECK/RAISE PLEASE BET AT ME THANKS'.".Just sayin'.

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Posted 12 May 2005 - 02:55 PM

Emptyeye said:

Absolute said:

Given his stats he is pretty limited to what he is going to be 3-betting pre-flop.His flop check is decieving.
I do hope by "Deceiving" you mean "Screams 'HELLO I HAVE A BIG POCKET PAIR AND AM GOING FOR A CHECK/RAISE PLEASE BET AT ME THANKS'.".Just sayin'.
Hard to check raise when you're last to act....just sayin'

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Posted 12 May 2005 - 05:24 PM

How the hell did I miss that?Clearly I'm smoking some quality substances to not see that. ;)Regardless, my point stands: Warning bells should be going off in your head when he 3-bets preflop and checks the flop. Yeah, he COULD have missed with AQ or AK, but given his stats, I doubt he 3-bets AQ and maybe not even AK; a pocket pair (Likely huge, but conceivably as low as eights or so if he's aware of the isolation concept) is more likely in this instance.

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Posted 12 May 2005 - 05:28 PM

Post flop checks after three betting pre flop I always proceed with extreme caustion.. I proably would have check called when the queen hit. If I have a real good read on him, I proably fold to his raise, otherwise pay off.

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