Canadian Election

[aucu 3]

Since this has turned into the political forum around here.It looks like a fall election is on it's way, who would you fote for?

[nutzbuster 7]

JOIN THE QUEBEC SECESSION!!!!F CANADA!!!!VIVA LE QUEBEC!!!!(or was it Montreal...am I even close?)I voted for the middle one, cause it looks funny

[copernicus 0]

JOIN THE QUEBEC SECESSION!!!!F CANADA!!!!VIVA LE QUEBEC!!!!(or was it Montreal...am I even close?)I voted for the middle one, cause it looks funny

Actually what would be more interesting to this forum would be the "conservative party" platform. I think it would help explain Daniels leftie myopia.

[FCP Bob 1,323]

Actually what would be more interesting to this forum would be the "conservative party" platform. I think it would help explain Daniels leftie myopia.

Why am I not surprised that you comment on something that you have no clue about.The current Conservative Party was formed by a merger of the Progessive Conservatives who were a center-right party and the right wing Reform Party that had most of it's support in Western Canada. There is a socially conservative element in the Party but they are a minority as that sort of social conservatism just doesn't have a lot of support in Canada.The Canadian Consevative Party actually has done a bunch of things on the Fiscal side that the cut taxes and spend like drunken sailors Republicans in the US could only dream about. Things like cut taxes for everybody and run budget surpluses. To be fair a lot of this is a result of not transferring as much money to the Provinces as probably should have been which is helping to keep Canadian cities behind on a lot of infrastructure issues.EDIT: even the Liberal Party cut some taxes and ran budget surpluses when they were in office before the Conservatives.They support the usual right wing things like increased defense spending and being tough on crime and of course Canada is in Afghanistan doing actual fighting and our soldiers are dying.From the Conservative Party's website.http://www.conservative.ca/EN/4739/The Conservative Record GST cut from 7% to 6%, and now to 5% - that’s a tax cut for all Canadians. Reduced the lowest personal income tax rate to 15% from 15.5% as of January 1, 2007. Created the new Working Income Tax Benefit to help 1.2 million people over the “welfare wall”. Created the new $1,000 Canada Employment Credit to lower taxes for working Canadians. Created the new $2,000 Child Tax Credit amount for every child under 18, a $1.5 billion tax savings for families. Increased the amount all Canadians can earn without paying federal income tax to $9,600 in 2007 and 2008 and to $10,100 in 2009. Enacted the Tax Fairness Plan to provide $1 billion in tax relief for Canadian seniors and pensioners. Delivered new tax credits for public transit, kid’s sports, textbooks, tools, and apprentices. Eliminated income tax on student scholarships, fellowships and bursaries. Cut taxes on small businesses. Ensured fairness for single-earners by ending the marriage penalty. Eliminated the job-killing corporate capital tax. Enacted the “Tax Back Guarantee”- a plan to use interest savings from national debt repayments to reduce personal income taxes, each and every year.

[copernicus 0]

Why am I not surprised that you comment on something that you have no clue about.

Why am I not surprised that you overreact to just about everything I say in this forum? I suggested that the platform be posted BECAUSE I, and others, dont know enough about it. Edumication is a good thing.

[copernicus 0]

Why am I not surprised that you overreact to just about everything I say in this forum? I suggested that the platform be posted BECAUSE I, and others, dont know enough about it. Edumication is a good thing.

I also see that everything you posted is on tax policy. there is more to conservatism than taxes. I'll read the entire thing later. Meanwhile there is a beautiful Alaskan salmon filet waiting to be bbq'd.

[vbnautilus 49]

Meanwhile there is a beautiful Alaskan salmon filet waiting to be bbq'd.

That's no way to talk about a potential vice president.

[copernicus 0]

That's no way to talk about a potential vice president.

Theres nothing fishy about Sarah. Well.....I never...I mean....I assume.....A real TV ad from the 60s:She says: "They can send a man to the moon, why can't they make an instant coffee that doesnt taste bitter?"The Mad "TV Ads We Would Like to See" version:He says: "They can send a man to the moon, why can't they make a Feminine Hygiene Spray that doesnt taste bitter?"

[owise1 0]

Why am I not surprised that you comment on something that you have no clue about.The current Conservative Party was formed by a merger of the Progessive Conservatives who were a center-right party and the right wing Reform Party that had most of it's support in Western Canada. There is a socially conservative element in the Party but they are a minority as that sort of social conservatism just doesn't have a lot of support in Canada.The Canadian Consevative Party actually has done a bunch of things on the Fiscal side that the cut taxes and spend like drunken sailors Republicans in the US could only dream about. Things like cut taxes for everybody and run budget surpluses. To be fair a lot of this is a result of not transferring as much money to the Provinces as probably should have been which is helping to keep Canadian cities behind on a lot of infrastructure issues.EDIT: even the Liberal Party cut some taxes and ran budget surpluses when they were in office before the Conservatives.They support the usual right wing things like increased defense spending and being tough on crime and of course Canada is in Afghanistan doing actual fighting and our soldiers are dying.From the Conservative Party's website.http://www.conservative.ca/EN/4739/The Conservative Record GST cut from 7% to 6%, and now to 5% - that’s a tax cut for all Canadians. Reduced the lowest personal income tax rate to 15% from 15.5% as of January 1, 2007. Created the new Working Income Tax Benefit to help 1.2 million people over the “welfare wall”. Created the new $1,000 Canada Employment Credit to lower taxes for working Canadians. Created the new $2,000 Child Tax Credit amount for every child under 18, a $1.5 billion tax savings for families. Increased the amount all Canadians can earn without paying federal income tax to $9,600 in 2007 and 2008 and to $10,100 in 2009. Enacted the Tax Fairness Plan to provide $1 billion in tax relief for Canadian seniors and pensioners. Delivered new tax credits for public transit, kid’s sports, textbooks, tools, and apprentices. Eliminated income tax on student scholarships, fellowships and bursaries. Cut taxes on small businesses. Ensured fairness for single-earners by ending the marriage penalty. Eliminated the job-killing corporate capital tax. Enacted the “Tax Back Guarantee”- a plan to use interest savings from national debt repayments to reduce personal income taxes, each and every year.

The GST cut was a mistake in my opinion. They should have cut income taxes much more instead. Taxing income reduces the incentive to earn. Taxing spending (with the GST) reduces the incentive to spend and thus increases the incentive to save.

[FCP Bob 1,323]

The GST cut was a mistake in my opinion. They should have cut income taxes much more instead. Taxing income reduces the incentive to earn. Taxing spending (with the GST) reduces the incentive to spend and thus increases the incentive to save.

I don't disagree with you.The GST as a tax is so much better than the tax it replaced.It came down to politics since the Liberals said they would abolish the GST and they never did anything with it and then the Conservatives campaigned on reducing it and didn't want to go back on that.

[copernicus 0]

I don't disagree with you.The GST as a tax is so much better than the tax it replaced.It came down to politics since the Liberals said they would abolish the GST and they never did anything with it and then the Conservatives campaigned on reducing it and didn't want to go back on that.

There is another aspect of sales tax vs income or property taxes, highlighted in fact by SPs mayoral changes. Income and property taxes are paid strictly by locals, but sales taxes are paid by both locals and visitors. Even after the rebates for some of the taxes paid by visitors to Ca reducing the sales tax still results in some shifting of the burden onto locals.

[CaneBrain 97]

There is another aspect of sales tax vs income or property taxes, highlighted in fact by SPs mayoral changes. Income and property taxes are paid strictly by locals, but sales taxes are paid by both locals and visitors. Even after the rebates for some of the taxes paid by visitors to Ca reducing the sales tax still results in some shifting of the burden onto locals.

side note: dont base your entire educational system off of sales tax. ask Florida. it's a fickle tax that ebbs and flows....

[copernicus 0]

side note: dont base your entire educational system off of sales tax. ask Florida. it's a fickle tax that ebbs and flows....

and dont base it entirely on property tax. ask California how well that works when the schools are flooded with children of people that dont own property

[CaneBrain 97]

and dont base it entirely on property tax. ask California how well that works when the schools are flooded with children of people that dont own property

you just mentioned the 2nd biggest source of FL's educational mobneys. sigh.....

[aucu 3]

Election called today as expected.http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national...c5-39f91fc36dc3

Harper, Dion begin campaign heralding 'clear' and 'stark' choice for Oct. 14 voteNorma Greenaway and Andrew Mayeda , Canwest News ServicePublished: Sunday, September 07, 2008OTTAWA -- Prime Minister Stephen Harper pulled the plug on his own minority government on Sunday, setting off a national election campaign that will send voters to the polls on Oct. 14 at a cost of about $300 million.Harper said the campaign will give voters a choice "between clear direction or uncertainty" at a time of global economic trouble, and said his government's record proves it will be a sound steward in the future.He also refused to predict the outcome of the vote, purposefully steering away from any thought he might be expecting a majority win."We believe it's going to be a tough election. We believe it's going to be a tight election," he told reporters after a meeting with Gov. Gen. Michaelle Jean.Harper said he did not see a reason to go "personal or nasty" in the campaign, but added that he was prepared to take issue with the other parties' policies and cited the Liberal Green Shift carbon tax as a prime target. He said he expects the Liberals will focus on attacking him and the Conservatives because they cannot defend an environmental policy that Harper has dismissed as a "crazy" tax hike in risky economic times.Liberal Leader Stephane Dion kicked off his campaign minutes after Harper left Rideau Hall, telling voters they face a "stark choice" between the "most Conservative government in Canadian history" that doesn't believe government can have a positive effect on the country and a Liberal party that is progressive and sees government as an agent for tackling poverty, unemployment and climate change.Speaking in the foyer of the House of Commons, Dion characterized Harper as the most secretive and manipulative prime minister Canada has had, and cited the Conservative leader's decision to bypass his own-fixed date election law as an example of his need to control.Dion, opening his first national election campaign, reached out to Quebecers to join the federal Liberals in getting the country back on what he sees as the right track on the economy and the environment."We'll tackle the climate change crisis, we'll increase energy efficient. I want to lead the Green revolution around the world," Dion said. "We Liberals have the team, we have the plan, and I must add, the leadership," said Dion.Layton focused on Harper as he launched his campaign in Gatineau, Que., at a rally. "Unlike Stephen Harper, I'll be a prime minister who puts you and your family first," Layton told dozens of supporters directly across the river from Parliament Hill."I'll be a prime minister who brings change not just from the past 25 months, but change from the past 25 years." Layton pledged to deliver change for the economy, health care and the environment, stressing that previous governments have failed to move forward."Doing things the way they've been done for the last 25 years won't build Canada," Layton said, "but choosing change that moves us forward will."Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe, who began campaigning Saturday, had a single message for Quebec voters, saying it was up to them to block Harper from getting a majority and imposing a "hidden agenda" on the country. He said voters must reject a government that he portrayed as "war-mongering" and out-of-touch with Quebecers demands for, among other things, tougher gun control and tougher action to cut greenhouse gas emissions.Harper arrived Sunday at Rideau Hall to formally ask Jean to dissolve Parliament for the country's 40th general election on grounds it had become "dysfunctional.""This Parliament is at its useful end," Harper said. "Canadians have to give somebody a mandate."Dion dismissed Harper's argument as "fake," and said he believes Harper rushed to an election because he fears the economy will get worse.Harper shrugged off questions about whether this election will determine his future in politics during the meeting with reporters where he repeated the importance he attaches to his family life with his wife and two children, a message the party has been pitching in a massive television advertising campaign leading up to the election call."I'm still a very young man, and I'm not in the mood to think about either losing or retiring." Voting day falls on the Tuesday after the Thanksgiving Day long weekend.Surveys over the last 2 1/2 years of the minority government have consistently shown the three major parties at almost the same level of support that they chalked up in the Jan. 23, 2006, election.At that time, the Conservatives had 36 per cent of the vote, the Liberals 30 per cent, and the NDP 17.5 per cent.The Conservatives, who hold 127 of the 308 seats in the Commons, need to pick up 28 seats to form a majority. Going into the election, the Liberals have 95 seats, the Bloc 48, and the NDP 30. There are four members sitting as independents and there are four vacant seats.With files from Juliet O'Neill and Mike De Souza

[copernicus 0]

Election called today as expected.http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national...c5-39f91fc36dc3

Change the names and it could be a US election article, complete with BHO and JSM sound bites.

[aucu 3]

It's almost time.

[rcgs59 15]

Some links you might need to look at for decisionshttp://www.elections.ca/home.asphttp://www.conservative.ca/EN/4739/http://www.liberal.ca/platform_e.aspxhttp://www.ndp.ca/platformhttp://www.presentpourlequebec.org/accueil.aspxhttp://www.greenparty.ca/en/platformHas far as I can see the Cons did a fair job of Conning us this term. Here are at least 100 reasons why http://www.100reasons.ca/ but, I am not happy with any choice in the matter of leaders we have right now, including my party who choose the wrong leader. More to come

[Mercury69 3]

I'm voting NDP, because JackLayton rolls up his sleeves like the Common Man.No, really, I am.

[Zach6668 513]

I'm voting NDP, because JackLayton rolls up his sleeves like the Common Man.No, really, I am.

Without knowing anything about any party's platforms, he's my vote as well, lol.

[antistuff 0]

canadian....election...government....society....more than just grunting and waving hockey sticks....AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAwow that was a good one.

[rcgs59 15]

lucky aucu that I lost most of my post , I spent over a hour typing it, giving the hx on the Liberals and giving supporting arguments to why Harper is a clown. I also took Bob's list of accomplishments and did the same and did a Liberal one, and I guess I must of timed out and lost the dam thing cause I had to relog back in and lost it all. Iam so pissed right now. even though I do not like Dion and will not vote Liberal this time. NDP has my vote as it won my riding the last 3 elections

[aucu 3]

I'm voting NDP, because JackLayton rolls up his sleeves like the Common Man.No, really, I am.

This is a very comon and easy choice to make but ohhh so wrong.Even I voted for the NDP a couple of times but it was based on the local candidate where I lived in the Yukon who happened to be the NDP party leader at the time, Audrey McLaughlin. She is quality.But on a national level if they ever got in it would be an unmitigated disaster. Before Audry I voted for Erik Nielsen of the PC party, another great who passed away just last month. He was one of the smarest and funniest politico I ever knew even funnier than his brother Leslie Nielson.

[aucu 3]

lucky aucu that I lost most of my post , I spent over a hour typing it, giving the hx on the Liberals and giving supporting arguments to why Harper is a clown. I also took Bob's list of accomplishments and did the same and did a Liberal one, and I guess I must of timed out and lost the dam thing cause I had to relog back in and lost it all. Iam so pissed right now. even though I do not like Dion and will not vote Liberal this time. NDP has my vote as it won my riding the last 3 elections

It's obvious that Harper got a bit of the clown gene in him, the problem is the the Liberals have lost it, the main reason the Canada is in the good possition that it is now is because of the best Finance minister it ever had was Paul Martin but he sucked at being the front man. Since they picked Dion as a compromize he has warped the party and has to lose and go.The best scenerio is if the Steves go and a higher standard of leadership comes in for both parties, but the quality of people that we need don't normally go into politics.

[rcgs59 15]

thats why I wish Dion didn't win the Leadership over Ignatieff, Ignatieff was much more geared for the job. but give the Liberals 12 years and Young Trudeau will be ready to take over for the Libs.