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#1 JaysonWeber

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Posted 12 May 2005 - 10:13 AM

In efforts to stop the 3-4 PokerTracker posts in General and Strategy (Where they belong) I'm going to put together this small Q and A guide. Most of this information is from things I've learned through the Poker Tracker Website and a Few other Articles I'll be linking onto here.First off...What is Poker Tracker?Poker Tracker is a computer program that allows you to analyze your on-line Texas Hold'Em and/or Omaha/8 play. Poker Tracker stores and summarizes hand history data that can be downloaded from your poker site.When posting your Poker Tracker info, First of all, Posting 1,000 hands isn't going to help much. If you're doing bad and really need some advice You can post at this time, But if you're looking to "Plug Your Leaks" 10,000 Hands is really the minimum to get an overall idea where you stand.Important Information to post, The Statistics you want to look at.VP$IP - Voluntarily put $ in Pot - The typical range is between 15 and 20, But this isn't Uniform. You should be tight from Earlier Positions and play more hands in Late Position.PFR - Preflop Raise percentage - Typically this should be between 7-10, If you're <7 You're not playing aggresively enough and if your >10 You could be playing too aggresively.WSD - Went to showdown - This number should be between 28-32%, It can vary but this is the average and if you're way off on this you've got some leaks in your game.W$SD - Won money at showdown - This number should be between 50-60%, This is taking from the Percentage WSD.AF - This isn't a number you should affectively try to change on it's own. This number should be between 2-3 overall and get higher on the turn and river.BB/100 - This is the average Big Bets (Not Big Blinds) You win or lose on average every 100 hands, again this isn't something to worry about after a few hundred hands.Knowing how to properly use Poker Tracker is important, it's not just to track your own stats, this article is a 5 part series and you should bookmark it for future reference. Although it's written by a NL player, the same basic knowledge applies. It will also help you in learning how to use Poker Tracker from the get go.http://www.bet-the-p...one-page31.htmlGameTime+ is an add-on program to Poker Tracker and is free of charge. GameTime+ Offers you live information on your table with information about every player at the table, It is a very effective tool that will help you save bets and make extra bets. It can be downloaded at the Poker Tracker Website.Ishmael's Analysis - The intent of this post is NOT to have players change their game in an effort to make their stats look more like those presented. This post is intended to give people who are curious about their stats an idea as to where other winning players stand. The one-half standard deviation range about the mean is probably a good range for your stats to be in. I'm certain I'll be adding information to this as well, if you have any recomendations let me know.I hope this helps,Jayson Weber
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Posted 12 May 2005 - 05:59 PM

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PFR - Preflop Raise percentage - Typically this should be between 7-10, If you're >7 You could be playing too aggresively.
Very nice post. Pokertracker is information overload if you don't know what to do with it. PS. I think the PFR should be "<7" and ">10", respectively.

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Posted 12 May 2005 - 06:29 PM

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AF - This isn't a number you should affectively try to change on it's own. This number should be between 2-3 overall and get higher on the turn and river.
That's incorrect. It should get LOWER on the turn and river.
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Posted 12 May 2005 - 06:39 PM

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Posted 12 May 2005 - 06:40 PM

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AF - This isn't a number you should affectively try to change on it's own. This number should be between 2-3 overall and get higher on the turn and river.
That's incorrect. It should get LOWER on the turn and river.
Im dislescic (sp) lol. Thank's For catching it, Both problems fixed.
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Posted 12 May 2005 - 07:10 PM

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I added it, allright continue.
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Posted 12 May 2005 - 07:50 PM

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Ishmael did a great job putting all of that together
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Posted 12 May 2005 - 08:13 PM

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Ishmael did a great job putting all of that together
Yeah, Chris and I were talking like 2 weeks ago and I was telling him how I wanted to get a huge database and find the averages etc. etc...Didn't know it someone already did it, Made my job easier lol.
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Posted 14 May 2005 - 03:34 PM

thanks jayson and whoever linked to Ishmael's post. i only have 1000 hands and have actually changed up my play recently to become more aggressive, but it was still interesting comparing things.both my PFR% and VPIP% were below the minimum! hmmmi have already redone my game to become more aggressive at .5/1, so i'll try to institute those changes at 2/4 and see what the stats look like.

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Posted 14 May 2005 - 08:39 PM

Jayson, the guide you linked to in turn links to a topic on the PT forums regarding a set of autorating rules for limit. In the short term (3000 or so hands) these rules give me the Eagle icon, so naturally they're completely reasonable and obviously correct. :club: Seriously though, I was wondering if you've used them and, if so, what you think about them--are they generally a solid set of rules for limit? How about microlimit? Or are the default rules really not that bad?

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Posted 15 May 2005 - 11:33 PM

Im also curious about the autorate of PT. Do you suggest anything different from the default autorate for full ring limit games? Ive browsed some forums but have only come across autorate rules for NL games.
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 09:22 AM

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Im also curious about the autorate of PT. Do you suggest anything different from the default autorate for full ring limit games? Ive browsed some forums but have only come across autorate rules for NL games.
The default rules are fine for ring limit games, in my opinion.
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Posted 21 May 2005 - 02:42 AM

The Default are fine for normal ring games.But I prefer to be specific, as every edge helps, There are Specific Autorate rules for NL$50 buy-in that Excession just updated, so if thats you're game you should pick that up.Also, Make sure to change the auto-rate rules for No-Limit/Limit.I have seperate databases set up for No-Limit and Limit so it's pretty easy to do this way.I played with NL Autorate rules in Limit Ring Games and it got messy :club:
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Posted 21 May 2005 - 01:06 PM

I recently started using pokertracker, and it definitely comes in handy.I'm trying to get more effective use out of it during play though (right now I keep going back and forth between PT and the games I'm playing)So I had two questions:1. Does anybody use the GameTime+ program that I've read about? It sounds like it would be really handy.2. Is there away to use poker tracker to average the stats of an entire table? Right now if I'm trying to use it for table selection, I have to look at the stats for each oppponent individually to get an idea about the table. Is there an easier way to do this?Thanks,-Bill
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Posted 21 May 2005 - 04:07 PM

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The Default are fine for normal ring games.Also, Make sure to change the auto-rate rules for No-Limit/Limit.I have seperate databases set up for No-Limit and Limit so it's pretty easy to do this way.I played with NL Autorate rules in Limit Ring Games and it got messy :club:
What kind of changes did you make to the default rules when you play limit? if any.

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1. Does anybody use the GameTime+ program that I've read about? It sounds like it would be really handy.2. Is there away to use poker tracker to average the stats of an entire table? Right now if I'm trying to use it for table selection, I have to look at the stats for each oppponent individually to get an idea about the table. Is there an easier way to do this?
GT+ is a must if you use PT imo. It will solve both your problems as it eliminates the need to flip back to find players stats, and it also gives table averages.
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Posted 23 May 2005 - 09:16 AM

gametime helps with table selection, but i'm still having trouble since it 'averages the table stats' by just giving the averages of the players you have in your database, instead of a true table average.any way of getting a true average? i only have about 4000 hands so far.while i'm here i'll ask my other questions too.firstly - what opponent types tend to be most profitable? i am tight/aggressive - overall i'm the rock thing, but since i've changed my style of play i'm the money bag (only for 2000 hands though). probably 12-14 VPIP, 6-8% PFR, etc. of course the fish are good, but what are the others? is it just fish, elephant, phone, dynamite, etc?aggression - what does this stat signify? 2.00 seems to be the dividing line between passivity and aggressiveness, so is 1.5 considered very or a little passive? is 0.75 closer a measure for a really passive player?datamining - i've heard this term, not sure what it means. i'm looking for a way to increase my database - is there a way to do so without playing/sitting at tables? i.e. can i just leave some tables open, without sitting at them (since you get kicked off in just 30 minutes or so) and somehow import this data?thanks for any/all help.daniel

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Posted 23 May 2005 - 10:58 AM

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firstly - what opponent types tend to be most profitable? i am tight/aggressive - overall i'm the rock thing, but since i've changed my style of play i'm the money bag (only for 2000 hands though). probably 12-14 VPIP, 6-8% PFR, etc. of course the fish are good, but what are the others? is it just fish, elephant, phone, dynamite, etc?
LAP, TPP, TAP, LP... All people you want to sit with. Notice anything about all 4?

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aggression - what does this stat signify? 2.00 seems to be the dividing line between passivity and aggressiveness, so is 1.5 considered very or a little passive? is 0.75 closer a measure for a really passive player?
Aggression is better if you give it to us by street and pre-flop etc... If you post that I'll go into a bit more detail. The first post also explains guidelines.

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datamining - i've heard this term, not sure what it means. i'm looking for a way to increase my database - is there a way to do so without playing/sitting at tables? i.e. can i just leave some tables open, without sitting at them (since you get kicked off in just 30 minutes or so) and somehow import this data?
Depends on what site you play at, You can datamine at partyskins. To do so at other sites, like PokerStars for example. Fire up GameTime+ and select a user @ the table, it begins collectings stats around that players so when you sit down you've got good reads.
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Posted 23 May 2005 - 11:09 AM

i do have a party skin (empire).how do i go about getting info from tables without sitting down at them?thanks,daniel

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Posted 23 May 2005 - 11:16 AM

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i do have a party skin (empire).how do i go about getting info from tables without sitting down at them?thanks,daniel
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Posted 23 May 2005 - 12:01 PM

that seems to be workingdoes playerview only work if you are actively playing at a table? seems to.also can't seem to get gametime to work, at least not well. i've heard that GT is more important than playerview. any suggestions on how to best use it.




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