10 replies to this topic

[akishore]

10-handed $2/4 at noble poker, uber-loose.i'm on the button with 2-3 of clubs.UTG raises and gets FIVE callers.i couldn't force myself to fold.the big blind also called, so the pot was EIGHT-HANDED.in that big of an f'ing pot, in position, with a prime hit-hard-or-drop hand, am i a fish for cold-calling there?aseem

[haganation]

What flop actually helps you? Dummy end of any straight. Worst flush cards. 223 flop would be cool, i guess.

[Vade]

Why?I could see defending on the BB with 2-3 if there's that many callers. But you've got nothing in this pot!

[HtotheNootch]

Seemed a little loose, so I went and checked the bible. Yes I do have to resort to books, because while I'd like to contribute more to this section, I realize I still have much to learn, but I don't want to be one of those guys who only asks questions so I grabbed SSHE, and looked it up.So I checked the pre-flop recommendations in SSHE, and it's recommended that you don't play 2-3 suited for 2 bets cold even in a pot w/6 to 8 players. They list 7-6 suited as the minimum for suited connectors.

[KDawgCometh]

if you're in teh BB or SB, by all means go ahead. But you are really drawing thin on way too many fronts to justify this clling two cold. Now if your cards were a little higher, like sy 65s, then cool. ou need better odds even though everyone and their mother seems to want to be in this pot

[MrNiceGuy]

2-3 suited shouldn't really be considered a "suited connector", IMO. It's a worse hand than 2-5 suited all the way around. Both hands can only make two possible straights that use both holecards (plus the 2-5 can make straights that use only the 5). And of course a 5 is higher than a 3.

[pokerplayer24]

I dunno. You figure if you somehow flop trip 2's or 3s, a flush draw or a straight draw you have a real good shot of winning the hand. I dont think its necessarily a bad call since so much money is in the pot and you can drop it so easily if you miss the flop.

[JaysonWeber]

I am a HUGE fan of these hands, But I think I would honestly fold 2-3. For this one reason, with that many people allready in, you have to guess that 2 of your aces are probobly out for the straight... Same Situation 3-4 And I call, I Love this situation with small suited connectors, But for some reason I won't play the 2-3.

[BigDMcGee]

It isn't the worst call ever, with that much action, but a fishy call non the less... I don't really like making calls like that unless I got 45 or higher connectors.. that being said, if you make your hand, it can be really deceptive, and you're almost gurenteed to get action on it... I definatly get called into the siren song of the huge pot too

[RISEorFall]

I was in a NL game at a dorm I usually played at not too long ago when something just like this came up. I'm BB w/ 3 - 5 suited. First guy to my right and a really good, aggressive player raises the .50 blind to 1.50. I was ready to fold, even as the first 2 players called, even as the first 4 players called. But as the 6th and 7th players called...I had to put 1.00 in the pot to see a flop when the pot was about 8.00. I made the call..hit 2 pair...got my money in with the best of it and the board paired on the river to give the guywith top pair a better 2 pair. oh well....anyway I don't mind calling. The pot's huge and if you don't wanna be in it you should be knitting or something.

[Silly String]

haganation said:

What flop actually helps you? Dummy end of any straight. Worst flush cards. 223 flop would be cool, i guess.

I agree. You have to flop aboat to feel safe. Not worth the pot odds.1) When you hit he flush with 8 people in the hand, you are likely to be beat by a better flush. 2) Too many cards can counterfeit your hand: a)When you hit a flush on the flop, you have to sweat that fourth suited card giving somebody with the A thru 4 a better flush. b)Bottom two pair example above.c)Bottom trips is not that strong when you don't have the PP in the hole.I drop it like a bad habit for 2 bets cold.