PartyPoker is getting on my nerves!!

[Suited_Up 2]

Ok, I must admit, I am getting VERY sick of these retarded players at party poker. I don't care about how i'll win in the long run, because for a week now i've been their whipping boy to catching cards on the river, or just flat out stupid moves that end up paying off. Anyway... that's not the point.. can ANYONE please look at this hand history and tell me what the hell these dumb people could be thinking? Look at the betting patterns... or lack of them, and then see what cards they're holding.P.S. It's my girlfriends name I was on.***** Hand History for Game 1374147441 *****0.5/1 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Sat Jan 01 00:17:50 EST 2005Table Table 11281 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the buttonTotal number of players : 9Seat 1: SpunGuy22 ( $29.5)Seat 2: ry23chen ( $11.25)Seat 3: catmersier ( $3)Seat 4: eulogys ( $39)Seat 6: esalvador ( $23)Seat 7: royalban999 ( $10.5)Seat 8: sxysprklstar ( $37.63)Seat 9: nantucketman ( $24.37)Seat 10: Johno2006 ( $6.5)Johno2006 posts small blind (0.25)SpunGuy22 posts big blind (0.5)** Dealing down cards **Dealt to sxysprklstar [ Kh, Qd ] ry23chen calls (0.5)catmersier calls (0.5)eulogys raises (1) to 1esalvador folds.royalban999 folds.sxysprklstar calls (1)Johno2006 folds.SpunGuy22 folds.ry23chen calls (0.5)catmersier calls (0.5)** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7d, 6h, 5h ] ry23chen checks.catmersier checks.eulogys checks.sxysprklstar checks.** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2d ] ry23chen checks.catmersier checks.eulogys checks.sxysprklstar bets (1)ry23chen calls (1)catmersier calls (1)eulogys calls (1)** Dealing River ** : [ 3c ] ry23chen checks.catmersier checks.eulogys checks.sxysprklstar checks.** Summary **Main Pot: $8.25 | Rake: $0.5Board: [ 7d 6h 5h 2d 3c ]SpunGuy22 balance $29, lost $0.5 (folded) ry23chen balance $9.25, lost $2 [ Ah Qh ] [ high card ace -- Ah,Qh,7d,6h,5h ]catmersier balance $9.25, bet $2, collected $8.25, net +$6.25 [ Ac As ] [ a pair of aces -- Ac,As,7d,6h,5h ]eulogys balance $37, lost $2 [ Qc Qs ] [ a pair of queens -- Qc,Qs,7d,6h,5h ]esalvador balance $23, didn't bet (folded)royalban999 balance $10.5, didn't bet (folded)sxysprklstar balance $35.63, lost $2 [ Kh Qd ] [ high card king -- Kh,Qd,7d,6h,5h ]nantucketman balance $24.37, sits outJohno2006 balance $6.25, lost $0.25 (folded) And I know... well there were straight possibilities... but nobody bet... so do you really think someone had one? come on!!!

[Wilderness 0]

lmao AA and QQ ... tiny raise before the flop and then nothing except when you bet on 4th street? wow, that's just incredible

[EgyptianMagician 0]

Why're you bluffing into a 4 card straight with 4 other people in the hand who called a raise preflop? Their play was strange but yours wasn't brilliant either.

[Eskimo 0]

Weird hand.Rule #1) Never try to bluff a multi-way pot.

[the_stein 0]

you're at the lowest limit offered by party poker... why are you complaining?

[JFarrell20 1]

pretty timid players... I'd be scared to play against them!

[Suited_Up 2]

pretty timid players... I'd be scared to play against them!

Yeah, that's what I am thinking. And to answer everyone's questions... I bet, because with no bets at any point during that hand.. I figured my King high might actually be good enough! Is that so crazy? No raises or bets the whole time... yet most times at that limit, people will bet with bottom pair like it's a full house. Point is I have no clue how to even play against players this bad. Good cards don't win, and bad cards don't either. Every time I get a good amount of money in the pot I lose it... and If I hit something on the flop everyone runs. I'm just at a loss for what to do with these retarded players. I know it's the lowest limit, but I only have 250 in the bankroll... (Was almost 400 like a week ago before all this bad play). Maybe I'm trying too hard, but it's beyond me.

[EgyptianMagician 0]

You can't bluff into a low limit table.... you can't bluff into a multiway pot. You're king high was beat by at worse ace high or a small pair.. there is no sensible logic in thinking it was good. You wasted a bet on the turn but besides that be happy that your opponents are playing so passive, if you both hit big and they hit bigger you won't lose that much.

[copernicus 0]

Yes, thinking your KQ was actually good at that point is well..maybe not crazy, but woefully optimistic at best. With that many hands dealt in the probability of a pair or straight is extremely high. For there to be no pair out there but KQ to be best, there would be no As, and a lot of duplication of 8.9.T.J.Q,K, assuming that the preflop action drove out the 4s and 3s (which arent A4, A3, or 43 since there are no As or straights).Remember in figuring out the likelihood of opponents (good) hands, you are looking at the number dealt in (for pocket pairs) and at the flop (a lot of players stick to see the flop especially at micro limits). not the number against you on the turn/river.

[jayistheman 0]

collusion...AA and QQ were friends....i guarantee it.

[copernicus 0]

collusion...AA and QQ were friends....i guarantee it.

If they are colluders they are awful at it. After that flop colluders would be jamming the flop to get full value and more from any draws that remain and to limit the competition.

[Smasharoo 0]

Stop cold calling raises with KQ.It's a good way to loose a lot of money.You should have folded pre-flop.There's no collusion here, you just played it like shit.

[Guest Anonymous]

The AA was a small stack and obviously new to the game to just call preflop with bullets, or perhaps he was slow playing them. Anyway he got lucky 3 times.1. Lesser hands did the betting for him2. Nobody caught the straightand3. You were chasing nothing with nothing!The QQ did bet but got nervous of a straight or flush when the board flopped 7 6 5 .This should have given you a clue that you were already beat.

[Guest Anonymous]

You should have folded pre-flop.

I disagree here. The second largest stack and on the button; I think it was okay to stay for the flop. However when the flop came crap, he should've mucked 'em.

[Smasharoo 0]

I disagree here. The second largest stack and on the button; I think it was okay to stay for the flop. However when the flop came crap, he should've mucked 'em.You may have missed this part:0.5/1 TexasHTGameTable (Limit)Stack size is meaningless.Calling raises with KQ in limit is a majorly losing play. It's as basic as not playing 72o before the flop.

[Guest Anonymous]

Stack size is not meaningless! If I have $40 bucks at the table and you have $3 at the table, is that meaningless. $0.50/1.....yeah I saw this!I think this is more of a reason to call on the button.Are you afraid to be wrong?

[Smasharoo 0]

Stack size is not meaningless! If I have $40 bucks at the table and you have $3 at the table, is that meaningless.$0.50/1.....yeah I saw this!I think this is more of a reason to call on the button.Are you afraid to be wrong? Um, yes. It's really pretty meaningless. Did you get the point that this is LIMIT. NOT NL?I can buy into a .50/$1 limit game with $10,000,000 if I feel like it. I can also buy in for $10 if I feel like it.Understand?Cold calling 2 bets PF with KQ is just a huge mistake. Am I afraid to be wrong about what? Calling a raise cold with an often completely dominated hand? It's a leak, a big one that will cose you lots of money long term if you keep calling two bets with it on the button.

[Suited_Up 2]

Have any of you EVER PLAYED THIS LIMIT??? Don't call a raise with KQ?? That's the dumbest thing i've ever heard. People will raise with A6 at this limit. They will re-raise with A10... KQ is by far a good enough hand to play at this limit. I don't know what you are even talking about. Try going in there for any length of time and seeing the shit that people raise with. Then come here and tell me that I shouldn't call a raise with KQ.

[Smasharoo 0]

Have any of you EVER PLAYED THIS LIMIT??? Don't call a raise with KQ?? That's the dumbest thing i've ever heard. People will raise with A6 at this limit. They will re-raise with A10... KQ is by far a good enough hand to play at this limit. I don't know what you are even talking about. Try going in there for any length of time and seeing the censored that people raise with. Then come here and tell me that I shouldn't call a raise with KQ.I've played Party .50/$1 before. Cold calling a raise with KQ is a bad idea. It's what losing players who play .50/$1 and never move up in limits do.If you think it's the best hand and that's why you're calling with it, you should three-bet pre-flop. If you think someone has AA, KK, QQ, AK or AQ you should fold.Gee what did the raiser turn out to have? Was it A7 or was it AA, KK, QQ, AQ or AK?Understand?

[Guest Anonymous]

I can buy into a .50/$1 limit game with $10,000,000 if I feel like it.  I can also buy in for $10 if I feel like it.Understand?

So you're saying that sitting at a table with $3 and wondering whether or not to call a bet that is 1/3rd of your stack is the same as sitting at a table with $40 where a $1 bet means virtually nothing if you lose?Do YOU understand?If you're folding to a $1.00 raise when you hold KQ on the button you're tighter than a Nun's you know what. Re-raising here is a better move than folding.

[Smasharoo 0]

So you're saying that sitting at a table with $3 and wondering whether or not to call a bet that is 1/3rd of your stack is the same as sitting at a table with $40 where a $1 bet means virtually nothing if you lose? $1 is $1 in limit. It doesn't matter if I have 90,000,000,000,000 in chips or $10. If you have enough chips to cap every street, your stack size bemomes utterly meaningless. Completely.Why would I be more likely to make a bad call with a lot of chips than I would be with less?Comprende??Three-betting KQ here is assanine.Savy?Comprendez-vous?

[Guest Anonymous]

Comprende??Savy?Comprendez-vous?

Ahhh...now I understand...YOU don't speak English.

[Smasharoo 0]

Ahhh...now I understand...YOU don't speak English.Just trying to get through to you so you stop making losing plays. Figured you were having trouble reading.

[Wilderness 0]

Have any of you EVER PLAYED THIS LIMIT???  Don't call a raise with KQ??  That's the dumbest thing i've ever heard.  People will raise with A6 at this limit.  They will re-raise with A10... KQ is by far a good enough hand to play at this limit.  I don't know what you are even talking about.  Try going in there for any length of time and seeing the censored that people raise with.  Then come here and tell me that I shouldn't call a raise with KQ.

I'm sorry, but that's still no reason to cold call with a KQ. At best, if someone is raising with a lousy A, say A-2, you are still about a 60/40 underdog. Its only a decent hand if you are not facing a raise. And, at least some of the time, you will actually be facing a good hand that raised, and then you are really an underdog. There just is no reason to call that initial raise unless you had some kind of read that made you think they would play K-x, Q-x, or something that was really really bad. You've not said anything that would make my last sentence applicable, so it wasn't a good call.As far as other people were talking about stack size ... its obviously something that should always be considered, but I think Smasharoo's point is that if you have a huge stack that doesn't mean you should make a bad decision just because its only a tiny portion of your stack.

[Suited_Up 2]

Ok, how about this then... This happened today...Raise on the Button...Small Blind Reraises...Call from Big Blind...Initial Raiser Calls also... guess what the first raiser had... 66. And you're telling me KQ is bad? Raised with 66, then called a re-raise with it. Honestly... go play this limit on partypoker for awhile. K4 wins quite often when a K comes up on the flop. I feel very comfortable playing KQ... if you'd play 89 as a connector, why not KQ? You people just confuse me.