tskillz187 0 Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 Villain and I have quite a bit of history. I have my stats update to last 100 hands, so right now he's a 24/22/3, but previously I have had him as high as 45/42/2ish. Basically I think he likes to play LAG but might have gone card dead last 100 hands, or adapted to a super donk at the table, by just nitting up (for him) and waiting to value town him.I'll take criticism on all streets, I usually raise this PF, but CO is a mega donk who I have been raising quite a bit PF and I feel like he could spazz shove on me, which I don't feel like dealing with right now, also SB and BB 3 bet from the blinds an okay amount, though they haven't done it in 2 opportunities with my button raises yet.Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Absolute-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)BB ($100.90)UTG ($23.60)MP ($41.71)CO ($79.40)Hero ($84.20)SB ($82.05)Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, K. 1 fold, MP calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, 1 fold, BB checks.Flop: ($2.25) 6, 7, K(4 players)BB bets $1.5, MP folds, CO folds, Hero calls $1.50.Turn: ($5.25) 3(2 players)BB bets $3.5, Hero calls $3.50.River: ($12.25) T(2 players)BB bets $4.5, Hero...Criticism on all streets, please. I thought the hand played out weird, maybe it's a standard raise on the flop, meh. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I am a showdown monkey, so I show down here decent price on the river he could think JJ is good ect.And you have a history so he knows you are a drooler Link to post Share on other sites
rdtedm 0 Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I definitely like raising the flop. Cant decide wheter to raise or call the river, but its definitely not a fold. Link to post Share on other sites
SCS 0 Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 Until CO starts to play back at us, I'd raise KQs on the button against 2 limpers every time. Also, I wouldn't expect the blinds to 3 bet me that often since I'm raising 2 limpers and not opening. But you'd have a better idea about how they play than I do.I'd raise the flop here. You most likely have the best hand, and villain will call with a wide range, including straight and flush draws, and worst Kings. Link to post Share on other sites
SCS 0 Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I definitely like raising the flop. Cant decide wheter to raise or call the river, but its definitely not a fold.I don't like a raise on the river. We may get villain to fold KT, but that's probably just wishful thinking. Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted August 21, 2008 Author Share Posted August 21, 2008 FWIW I've never seen him throw such a small bet out on the river. For me, I'd be more inclined to call a bigger bet on this river against this villain. But then again the bet is soooo small.On the flop I thought villain was bet/3betting so much of his range, it also makes later streets difficult to play if he calls me. Maybe I'm just a call station donk now, I dunno. Link to post Share on other sites
rdtedm 0 Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I don't like a raise on the river. We may get villain to fold KT, but that's probably just wishful thinking.Why does villains range only hold one K.. K10? He's in the BB so he can pretty much have any K here and bet like this. Link to post Share on other sites
SCS 0 Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 Why does villains range only hold one K.. K10? He's in the BB so he can pretty much have any K here and bet like this.Do you think villain plays K8, K9, etc this way?What hands that we beat is villain calling a river raise with? What hands that villain has that beat us are folding? Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I think given that you called the turn assuming he did not hit a flush and that you were not drawing dead, the way you called him down and the awesome price on the end all add up to make this a call.I don't particularly like it though.I'd love a raise OTB preflop though. Isolate those limpers ftw. I see you've gone over this, but I think if you're only worried about the donk CO limp/shoving on you that you should still be raising with position. I'm not saying I'd like him to shove, but I feel like people (retard fish especially) don't do this often enough to use as a reason not to still raise preflop. Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted August 21, 2008 Author Share Posted August 21, 2008 I think I'm more worried that SB or BB 3bet me than donk check shoving. Donk/CO though is difficult to play with in bloated pots if I don't flop best, he's effing crazy. I think maybe I give SB and BB too much credit for 3betting wider than they are though, just because I know they are solid players. They also have incentive to want to bluff me because they hate me. Link to post Share on other sites
Giggidy 0 Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I like raising the flop too.As played I call teh river Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I definitely raise pf here. You have a great hand and the button.For those that want to raise his flop bet, what is your plan if: A) He shovesB ) He calls and checks turn to you? (and what if turn isn't a spade?)As played I call river.Mark Link to post Share on other sites
Syous 0 Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I'm so tilted by pf. Who cares if he shoves on you, as mark said, you have a great hand and the button. RAISEYDAISEY!!!!!I don't play this hand differently as playedany info on teh bb? Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted August 21, 2008 Author Share Posted August 21, 2008 I'm so tilted by pf. Who cares if he shoves on you, as mark said, you have a great hand and the button. RAISEYDAISEY!!!!!I don't play this hand differently as playedany info on teh bb?Alright, I'm raising it in the future.BB is a solid player that I'd prefer not to tangle with. I see him get in ridiculous spots with the CO/donk, with very odd hands, he also played a session where he 3bet me like everytime, and eventually he had KK>AT aipf against me. I think he thinks I'm weak/tight. Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I play post flop the same Link to post Share on other sites
Syous 0 Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 Alright, I'm raising it in the future.BB is a solid player that I'd prefer not to tangle with. I see him get in ridiculous spots with the CO/donk, with very odd hands, he also played a session where he 3bet me like everytime, and eventually he had KK>AT aipf against me. I think he thinks I'm weak/tight. it doesn't mean he's gonna cold 3bet you just because u're raising ur button. And you can always 4b bluff or call since you have positino if this happens.That makes river a bit interesting. If he thinks a big bet will blow you off, oh man a fold is so close imo w/that underbet there. But he could also be a retard and think a small bet ont he river would be a nice cheap bluff lol Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I think he thinks I'm weak/tight.Only a little. But he could also be a retardI'd say it's borderline. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerinc 0 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 I like raising pre and raising the flop donk.Also like seeing Mark posting more in strat again.But the later streets I'd just call there. Don't think we'd get there played more aggressively though. Link to post Share on other sites
Dictius 0 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 don't you want donks spazz shoving on you pf? sure we probably have to fold this time but if we keep annoying him by raising pf and he keeps spazz shoving he's going to do it at the wrong time eventually. Link to post Share on other sites
regionx8 0 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Anyone raise the turn here? No reason to belive he has a flush he could have a weak king and bet out on flop. he may have even hit 2 pair here with k6 or k7 considering he was bb and just checked. Turn may be just as scary for you as it is for him. If he calls, river will probably be check/check or if he bets you can be pretty sure you're beat. If he folds a weaker hand you still got 2 streets of value from him betting out.. and there are several hands that he folds that are ahead. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 We may get villain to fold KT,THIS MADE ME SMILE! Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 THIS MADE ME SMILE!I do think villain would fold KT to a raise on the river. Link to post Share on other sites
SCS 0 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 I do think villain would fold KT to a raise on the river.That's assuming he does have KT, which is the only hand villain could fold to a river raise imo. Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted August 22, 2008 Author Share Posted August 22, 2008 I ended up timing all the way to the end. I really wanted to fold, but I puke/called and Villain showed up with 7s10x.If turn is checked to us, do we bet?Edit: Villain is Simo, btw. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 I do think villain would fold KT to a raise on the river.maybe to a big one but getting people to fold two pair is kinda silly imo. Link to post Share on other sites
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