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[Duff_Man]

Down to 3 handeed in a $5 single table SNG. I'm the chip leader with approx. $7500 the other two are even with around $3000. Both have been extremely tight not wanting to gamble. I think I've stolen close to 10 blinds from them (they were both to my immediate left). Blinds are 200/400 and I'm the SB. Button folds and I limp in with 63 suited (clubs), figured if the BB had a hand she would raise and I could fold as long as the raise was substantial. She checks, flop come A K 10 all clubs. I flopped a flush but it wasn't one that I was really loving, 1 more club falls on the board and I very well may be dead. So I go all-in and the BB folds immeidately. My question is should I have slow played it and hoped that maybe the flop hit her and she would bet and then I could extract more of her chips? It's a moot point really because I ended up winning the tournament anyway. Just wondering if I could have played it better.ThanksDuff

[EgyptianMagician]

You could've made a more standard sized bet like half the pot, but if he had a decent club he probably would've called, and if no club falls on the turn then you can move all-in. There's no point in moving all-in with a monster hand unless you know you're gonna get called by a lesser monster.

[Eskimo]

You definitely should not slowplay it. I'd do a feeler bet about 3xBB on the flop. If he calls, then you should most likely put him on a flush. If he raises then you should most likely fold because you said they were extremely tight and they would probably have a higher flush.

Duff_Man said:

I flopped a flush but it wasn't one that I was really loving, 1 more club falls on the board and I very well may be dead. So I go all-in and the BB folds immeidately.

That doesn't make much sense, but I understand why you did it. You flopped a flush and when another club fell you got scared he had a higher and wanted to take the pot right there. I've done the same thing before and lost all my money (except in mine the board paired and i feared a full house, which the guy did have). If he would have called your bet on the flop, i would check and accept that im beat.

[Joenin]

I really don't see the point of putting all your chips in. Pot is 800 at this point and she was 2600 left. It be nice to pickup the 800 in it but i don't think its vital at this point. I wouldn't be happy giving the bb a free card incase she does have a club, with that said i'd sure be willing to sell her one, even at a possible discount. You said you'd been very agressive with the blinds etc. I might wanta take a shot at this for 400-800 and give them a chance to play back. possible she hit some of that but not greatly and would wanta put a move on or take a shot at the club. In either situation if your called and the turn is not a club its time to push and take the pot.

[Duff_Man]

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You flopped a flush and when another club fell you got scared he had a higher and wanted to take the pot

I may have worded that wrong. It never got past the flop. I went all in because I was afraid that if the turn brought another club then I may be in trouble. I was hoping to take down the pot right there, I didn't want to take the chance that a club would fall on the turn and then I might be in deep doo doo. Sorry for the confusion.Duff

[JFarrell20]

I don't like the move IMHO. Why push all in? What if she had pocket clubs higher (fat chance i know). You should have checked since you were first to act. You will be able to read what she has by how she bets. If SHE bets big on the flop I'd definitely put her all in. B/c She wouldnt bet big with a flush draw. I'd put her on top pair or something. Let's say she checks.. turn is a blank. I'd bet the minimum and beg for a call/raise. Lets say worst case scenario.. you both check the flop. turn comes a blank. You bet minimum, she calls. River is a club. You bet pot. She moves all in. Uh-oh....it would just come down to how much more IS IT.But definitely... DONT push all in on the flop. You've got a great hand. 3-handed, chances are she probably doesnt even have a club since there's only 8 left. and you are the one with chips to lose! Basically, let her do the betting and you should be able to judge if she's got pairs or clubs...

[wrto4556]

Unless you move all in a bunch, I think you could have played it better. Sometimes, I will move all in when I hit a hand, but I make sure to do it frequently enough to make people wonder if I really have a hand. In this case a simple pot size or 3/4 pot size bet would have been good. The other opponent isn't going to call an all in on a flush draw, but will call a 3XBB bet. And if the turn is a blank (no club) you can really make them pay for the draw.

[Eskimo]

Duff_Man said:

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You flopped a flush and when another club fell you got scared he had a higher and wanted to take the pot

I may have worded that wrong. It never got past the flop. I went all in because I was afraid that if the turn brought another club then I may be in trouble. I was hoping to take down the pot right there, I didn't want to take the chance that a club would fall on the turn and then I might be in deep doo doo. Sorry for the confusion.Duff

haha, my bad duff. i thought you meant you went all-in on the turn. Man... i feel like a complete idiot.

[Duff_Man]

wrto4556 said:

Unless you move all in a bunch, I think you could have played it better. Sometimes, I will move all in when I hit a hand, but I make sure to do it frequently enough to make people wonder if I really have a hand. In this case a simple pot size or 3/4 pot size bet would have been good. The other opponent isn't going to call an all in on a flush draw, but will call a 3XBB bet. And if the turn is a blank (no club) you can really make them pay for the draw.

Yeah that was my thinking after I took down the pot. I acted pretty quickly because I didn't want to risk having another club hit. She was playing very tight almost as if she was hoping that either me or the other guy would drop out and allow her to move up, not willing to make any moves at all. I figured that if she had a club then I was gonna make her pay dearly for trying to draw to it. Plus I thought that even if I lost the hand I would be able to outplay her and the other guy. Like I said I stole so many blinds from them that I was in near shock.Duff

[Duff_Man]

Eskimo said:

Duff_Man said:

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You flopped a flush and when another club fell you got scared he had a higher and wanted to take the pot

I may have worded that wrong. It never got past the flop. I went all in because I was afraid that if the turn brought another club then I may be in trouble. I was hoping to take down the pot right there, I didn't want to take the chance that a club would fall on the turn and then I might be in deep doo doo. Sorry for the confusion.Duff

haha, my bad duff. i thought you meant you went all-in on the turn. Man... i feel like a complete idiot.

No problem Eskimo. I see your point that you make in your signature :green: Just kidding bro.

[CoranMoran]

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I limp in with 63 suited (clubs). She checks, flop come A K 10 all clubs. I flopped a flush but it wasn't one that I was really loving.

When playing 63 suited, what type of flop are you hoping for?This is a great flop for you.Not only did you hit your flush, but you did so on an action board!There are only two scenarios to consider here: either she got a piece of this flop as well or she didn't.If the flop missed her, then she is unlikely to bet on any street.Slowplaying now is pointless and will not lead to anything.She is playing tight so she will not be bluffing at this.So if you bet and take the pot right here, that is as good as it was going to get.However, with this action flop, if she did get a piece, it is very possible that she will think that she is ahead.With three high suited cards on the board, top pair, two pair, striaght draws, flush draws are all possibilities for her.And if she has any piece of this, you are likely to get paid off.So in this situation, it is important to put a bet out there and give her a chance to call you or come over the top.Thus by studying both scenarios, it seems clear that betting will usually be the more lucrative option either way!

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1 more club falls on the board and I very well may be dead.

Yes, this is really the only thing that you have to fear.And this gives us even more reason to make a bet in this position.If she is on a flush draw, she will likely pay to see it.So it is important that you don't give her a free card to spoil your fun.

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So I go all-in and the BB folds immeidately.

The odds up to this point were in your favor.It was unlikely that she held a higher club.And if she did, it was still unlikely that she would hit her flush.Because of this, you did not need to panic.And your all-in move may have scared her off a decent hand that could have paid you off with.My recommendation would have been to make a standard bet.Since you have been pushing her around prior to this, she may view your bet as another act of unwarranted aggression and play back at you if she has something.The odds say that you will still have the best of it even if the river is seen.So give her an opportunity to give you some money.--cnm

[Smasharoo]

may have worded that wrong. It never got past the flop. I went all in because I was afraid that if the turn brought another club then I may be in trouble. I was hoping to take down the pot right there, I didn't want to take the chance that a club would fall on the turn and then I might be in deep doo doo. Sorry for the confusion. This is really the only way to play this.Stop playing 63s shorthanded with high blinds.You're not going to get away from an overflush anyway so pushing is correct. If someone calls you with a one card flush draw that's good for you. Letting them draw to one for anything less than all the chips you can get in is silly.

[Duff_Man]

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Stop playing 63s shorthanded with high blinds.

I was already in for 200 so I figured I could call the remaining 200 seeing as how I had 7500 in chips. If she raised then I was gonna muck it immediately. She had played the same way the entire game so i was confident that she was only gonna raise if she had any type of a hand. If I was on the button with 63s I would have mucked it right away. If I'm not already in the pot I won't play garbage hands short handed.Duff

[Smasharoo]

I was already in for 200 so I figured I could call the remaining 200 seeing as how I had 7500 in chips. If she raised then I was gonna muck it immediately.My mistake I misread your post and thought you were the short stack.Keep playing that with a chip lead from the SB.