Dig These Preflop Equities

[antistuff 0]

is getting it all in with a double suited rundown against two people with aces standard?Full Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.509 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $21.80UTG+1: $50MP1: $52.25MP2: $50.90MP3: $50CO: $47.10Hero: $160.05SB: $32.60BB: $67.65Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is Button with 3 A A 8 UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 raises to $2.75, 2 folds, Hero raises to $10, 2 folds, UTG raises all-in $21.8, MP1 folds, MP2 raises all-in $50.9, Hero calls.Flop: 4 7 3 ($60.7, 2 players + 2 all-in - Main pot: $66.65)Turn: T ($60.7, 2 players + 2 all-in - Main pot: $66.65)River: 8 ($60.7, 2 players + 2 all-in - Main pot: $66.65)Results:Final pot: $60.7Hero showed 3c Ad Ah 8dUTG showed 6c 5c 6s 7sMP2 showed Ks Ac Qs As

Omaha Hi: 500000 sampled boardscards			 win   %win	lose  %lose	 tie   %tie	 EVAs Ks  Qs  Ac   95536  19.11  303460  60.69  101004  20.20  0.2927s 6s  6c  5c  215753  43.15  284247  56.85	   0   0.00  0.4323c Ad  8d  Ah   87707  17.54  311289  62.26  101004  20.20  0.276

[ROBBBIGG 0]

I woulda folded the 5667 because of the pair, but yeah I'd get ds rundowns all in pf multiway because they're fun and make straights and flushes.

[antistuff 0]

I woulda folded the 5667 because of the pair, but yeah I'd get ds rundowns all in pf multiway because they're fun and make straights and flushes.

so on average, even though against two people holding aces your flushes are dead a lot, you will have positive equity enough to do this?i am going to become a 3 betting maniac this is going to be fun.

[ROBBBIGG 0]

so on average, even though against two people holding aces your flushes are dead a lot, you will have positive equity enough to do this?i am going to become a 3 betting maniac this is going to be fun.

You're obv not always against 2 aces in 3 way all ins most of the time though, but here are some calcs:live flush outs:Ks 2c Ad Ah 44344 8.87 376522 75.30 79134 15.83 0.1685c 4c 7d 6d 251351 50.27 248649 49.73 0 0.00 0.503As Js Ac Th 125171 25.03 295695 59.14 79134 15.83 0.329one flush dead:2c Ad Kd Ah 72076 14.42 348549 69.71 79375 15.88 0.2245c 4c 7d 6d 211460 42.29 288540 57.71 0 0.00 0.423As Js Ac Th 137089 27.42 283536 56.71 79375 15.88 0.354and if we completely kill our flush outs:2c Ad Kd Ah 73020 14.60 345564 69.11 81416 16.28 0.2275c 4c 7d 6d 185149 37.03 314851 62.97 0 0.00 0.370As Js Ac Tc 160415 32.08 258169 51.63 81416 16.28 0.402A few more typical situations:Dominating rundown:7s 9c 8c Td 144439 28.89 354356 70.87 1205 0.24 0.2905c 4c 7d 6d 146445 29.29 352350 70.47 1205 0.24 0.294As 2s Ac Kc 207911 41.58 292089 58.42 0 0.00 0.416Aces vs Good Kings vs ds rundown (with one flush dead) Kc Qc Td 124861 24.97 375064 75.01 75 0.01 0.2505c 4c 7d 6d 200196 40.04 299804 59.96 0 0.00 0.400As 2s Ac Jc 174868 34.97 325057 65.01 75 0.01 0.350Same situation above but with an additional player that muddies our outs:Ks Kc Qc Td 71002 18.83 305941 81.15 49 0.01 0.1885c 4c 7d 6d 104710 27.78 270902 71.86 1380 0.37 0.280As 2s Ac Jc 95746 25.40 281197 74.59 49 0.01 0.2549s 8s 9h 6h 104105 27.61 271507 72.02 1380 0.37 0.278Vs double suited aces HU:5c 4c 7d 6d 208394 41.68 291606 58.32 0 0.00 0.417As 2s Ac Jc 291606 58.32 208394 41.68 0 0.00 0.583Vs Monster DS Aces HU:5c 4c 7d 6d 207511 41.50 292489 58.50 0 0.00 0.415As Ks Ac Qc 292489 58.50 207511 41.50 0 0.00 0.585vs Monster Aces and 2 ds pair:5c 4c 7d 6d 188353 37.67 311647 62.33 0 0.00 0.377As Ks Ac Qc 168942 33.79 331020 66.20 38 0.01 0.338Js Ts Jc Tc 142667 28.53 357295 71.46 38 0.01 0.285

[ahosang 0]

is getting it all in with a double suited rundown against two people with aces standard?

yes, this is often a good move with a short-medium stack(as was in your hand due to UTG and MP2 being medium). It would be unwise to play this way for large stacks because you couldn't be certain that 1 player didn't have a lot of your outs killed with a similar rundown.Yes, all serious PLO players need to know these basic matchups. And of course now you'll figure out why and when to 3-bet.

[Frez 0]

so on average, even though against two people holding aces your flushes are dead a lot, you will have positive equity enough to do this?i am going to become a 3 betting maniac this is going to be fun.

Ya, two people holding AAxx. Need to be pretty sure of that before you are willing to stack off with a 5667 type hand. Interesting all the equities Robb ran. You're rarely in terrible shape with a pure rundown.