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[SCS]

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 playersThe Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History ConverterSB: $50.00BB: $51.95UTG: $49.30MP: $27.25Hero (CO): $50.75BTN: $67.75Pre Flop: Hero is CO with 9 9 1 fold, MP calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, 3 folds, MP calls $1.75Flop: ($5.25) 7 4 5 (2 players)MP checks, Hero bets $3.75, MP calls $3.75Turn: ($12.75) J (2 players)MP checks, Hero bets $8, MP calls $8River: ($28.75) 7 (2 players)MP checks, Hero bets $14, MP foldsVillain is relatively unknown. This is the first session I've played with him, and it's early in the game. Stats are 44/11/0 over 15 hands. I think my line is pretty standard. My flop and turn bets could have been a bit bigger maybe, but I don't think it mattered that much here.How would you play the hand if villain had a full stack?

[Sheiky]

I would check the river

[Dictius]

Sheiky, on Tuesday, August 19th, 2008, 12:31 PM, said:

I would check the river

Me tooWhat hands can you get value from on the river? Maybe 66/88 but it's super thin.

[quadaces]

Sheiky, on Monday, August 18th, 2008, 7:31 PM, said:

I would check the river

I agree....You're only getting called by hands that beat you.

[krup24]

quadaces, on Monday, August 18th, 2008, 11:15 PM, said:

I agree....You're only getting called by hands that beat you.

pretty sure 66 and 88 will callbut i would hate gettn raised in this spot

[SCS]

krup24, on Tuesday, August 19th, 2008, 12:06 AM, said:

pretty sure 66 and 88 will callbut i would hate gettn raised in this spot

Villain started with half a stack. I'm putting him all in on the river.

[king1305]

I'm perfectly fine with this hand. He started the hand with about a half a buyin, that right there tells me hes not very good and can call with many worse hands. Don't ever underestimate what donks will call with.You might even want to consider a value shove on the river, it looks more spewy imo and more like a missed draw then betting just the amt to put him in.

[NoBBiR]

Ask yourself, "What calls the river that we beat?" If you can't think of anything (I certainly can't) then I hope you're expecting him to fold something that beats us (he isn't).Just check it back.

[king1305]

I do think that checking is the best play here most often, but I don't get how anyone can see we don't get value from a lot of different hands.This dude has already put in half of his stack. He's not very good. Who is to say he isn't calling with AK, AQ, KQ, etc thinking we are bluffing? I think that there are a lot of hands that we get value from here. They show up with random shit so much that I want to get paid by someone who can't fold two overs.For those of you saying we don't beat much, what kind of range are you putting villain on? I think the only hand I'd be worried about valuetowning ourselves with is TT and I think the donk gets it in on the flop with TT, so actually maybe we're not worried about it at all.

[Sheiky]

Saying he'll call with A high and K high takes a massive stretch of the imagination. Full stacked I think it's a definite river check without a strong read, being half stacked I still think it's a check because he can get to the river with a wide variety of draws that aren't calling a bet, and with the 7 pairing I don't think we're going to be >50% against his river calling range and even if we are it's never going to be by much anyway.

[SCS]

If we check the river, are we planning on calling a shove by villain?

[NoBBiR]

SCS, on Tuesday, August 19th, 2008, 3:14 PM, said:

If we check the river, are we planning on calling a shove by villain?

We're in position? We wouldn't have to do any such thing...

[mln_falcon]

SCS, on Wednesday, August 20th, 2008, 9:14 AM, said:

If we check the river, are we planning on calling a shove by villain?

We have position can't happen.Nice bet on river. If he has a J he has a J, but that's unlikely, as is a 7. I'd actually be expecting most donks to donk river with a J or a 7. 1/2 stack players here can call with any 4 any 5 and any PP. And yes I have been called by AK/AQ in this situationA check isn't horrible, but against a loose passive I'm betting. I value own myself a bit, but not as much I get him to call with a stupid hand.

[Dictius]

How can you expect him to show up with AK/AQ on the river but him having a J is unlikely? If he is somehow getting to the turn with AQ he is likely getting to the turn with AJ also. Him having 7x is definitely possible too. I think it's more likely he has a 7 or a J if he calls a river bet than he has Ace high.Sure, fish show up with random hands a lot, but we have only played 15 hands with the villain and don't really have any idea what he calls the river with. So I think betting the river and expecting him to call with overcards or like A4/A5 is pretty thin unless we have seen him do it before.

[mln_falcon]

Dictius, on Wednesday, August 20th, 2008, 11:22 AM, said:

How can you expect him to show up with AK/AQ on the river but him having a J is unlikely? If he is somehow getting to the turn with AQ he is likely getting to the turn with AJ also. Him having 7x is definitely possible too. I think it's more likely he has a 7 or a J if he calls a river bet than he has Ace high.Sure, fish show up with random hands a lot, but we have only played 15 hands with the villain and don't really have any idea what he calls the river with. So I think betting the river and expecting him to call with overcards or like A4/A5 is pretty thin unless we have seen him do it before.

I say a J or a 7 is unlikely because he didn't bet it. Fish bet top pair almost always. And I'm going to assume he's a fish with stack size.

[SCS]

NoBBiR, on Tuesday, August 19th, 2008, 8:25 PM, said:

We're in position? We wouldn't have to do any such thing...

So your answer is no?

[NoBBiR]

SCS, on Tuesday, August 19th, 2008, 6:39 PM, said:

So your answer is no?

You sir, are astute