Aces On Paired Flop, Big Pot Preflop

[antistuff 0]

do i call when they check raise me all in here?if i don't then whats the point of betting?Full Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.50/$16 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $148.65UTG+1: $64.95Hero: $120.95Button: $216.15SB: $131.90BB: $39.50Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with A 9 A J 2 folds, Hero raises to $3.5, Button calls, SB raises to $6, BB folds, Hero raises to $26, Button calls, SB calls.Flop: 6 6 Q ($79, 3 players)SB checks, Hero bets $68.5

[meservery 0]

do i call when they check raise me all in here?

Still got the button to act behind you. I'd check to him and see what he does.

[antistuff 0]

Still got the button to act behind you. I'd check to him and see what he does.

am i looking to fold or am i looking to play an all in pot HU?

[bdc30 0]

Obv after you cbet you're never folding in this size of pot with under $30 left. fwiw I don't mind getting it in here.

[meservery 0]

Obv after you cbet you're never folding in this size of pot with under $30 left. fwiw I don't mind getting it in here.

yeah bet folding is bad if you are betting near pot. i think in this situation we dont need to bet so big though... maybe.

[bdc30 0]

It's a 4bet pot. Pretty much any bet we make will have us committed. If you want to try pot control you can check, but bet/folding is tough with stack sizes and a pot that we've bloated this big.

[antistuff 0]

i like mservs original response the more i think about it. on the flop i am going to decide that i am never folding this if i can know for sure its heads up and now i am going to try to entice somebody into getting all their money in the middle with me. is that a good plan here?

[antistuff 0]

It's a 4bet pot. Pretty much any bet we make will have us committed. If you want to try pot control you can check, but bet/folding is tough with stack sizes and a pot that we've bloated this big.

bloat?would you not have repoped it preflop?is it ok as long as i am doing it occasionally also with things like double suited rundowns and coordinated high pairs?

[bdc30 0]

oh it's fine I was just making the point that once we do that and build almost a full stack sized pot, we can't get away from a "safe" flop like this.

[ROBBBIGG 0]

I would've called with position. Since we reraised, this is a decent flop for us to get it in.

[timwakefield 69]

oh it's fine I was just making the point that once we do that and build almost a full stack sized pot, we can't get away from a "safe" flop like this.

Agreed, and we've put ourselves in a very vulnerable spot because we've telegraphed our aces, and now our opponents can gladly get away from anything worse than aces and gladly stack us with a 6 or QQ. I kind of don't like the re-pop pre.

[BudBundy 0]

I agree with bdc. You either 4-bet preflop and push this flop. Or you call the 3-bet preflop and play postflop.FWIW i 4-bet these aces and push this flop pretty much everytime. Against two really passive players , you can check flop and bet turn if it gets checked to you and fold if one of them bets because Button won't check flop behind with a 6 on flop when its checked to him and BB will miss the check raise and lead turn with a 6 when flop gets checked thru. We still can't bet fold so there is a good chance we will get stacked everytime against QQ. Meh this is why it is PLOMAHAHAHAHAHAHAJust put it in on flop and save the trouble.

[BudBundy 0]

Full Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.50/$16 playersConverterStack sizes:Hero: $396.80UTG+1: $131.95CO: $41.70Button: $388.75SB: $131.60BB: $104.80Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with A 5 A J Hero raises to $3.5, 2 folds, Button raises to $12, 2 folds, Hero calls.Flop: A 5 Q ($25.5, 2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $19, Hero raises to $82.5, Button calls.Turn: 7 ($190.5, 2 players)Hero bets $190.5, Button raises all-in $294.25, Hero calls.River: 8 ($779, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $779)Results:Final pot: $779Button showed 5c Qd Qc 6dHero showed Ad 5d As Js

[antistuff 0]

Full Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.50/$16 playersConverterStack sizes:Hero: $396.80UTG+1: $131.95CO: $41.70Button: $388.75SB: $131.60BB: $104.80Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with A 5 A J Hero raises to $3.5, 2 folds, Button raises to $12, 2 folds, Hero calls.Flop: A 5 Q ($25.5, 2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $19, Hero raises to $82.5, Button calls.Turn: 7 ($190.5, 2 players)Hero bets $190.5, Button raises all-in $294.25, Hero calls.River: 8 ($779, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $779)Results:Final pot: $779Button showed 5c Qd Qc 6dHero showed Ad 5d As Js

i think all the money was going in no matter what you did. however, doing what you can to get it in early is a smart move becouse by the river there will usually be something out there that looks scary.

[bdc30 0]

I think the important lesson from that hand is the flat call preflop. If Bundy had repopped preflop with these stack sizes, it "could" put us in a lot of awkward situations postflop being out of position. Yes, the money's probably going in on this particular hand one way or the other - things may have been different though if he'd telegraphed that he had aces by 4betting them pre. nh bud

[BudBundy 0]

^^^^^^^ this.I doubt he was stacking off for $390 with queens there if i had 4 betted preflop and led flop big.