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[Marc-O]

So Im in a home game tournament tonight. $30 buy in, 30 ppl. Although only 25 showed up. The players were all relatively new players and had little knowledge, so i felt good. 4 places paid with 1st recieving $330, which i really could use. 3000 in starting chips and blinds exactly as the main nl wsop structure.So anyways i was up and down until 3 hours in to the tournament sitting with 12 people left and this hand comes up.Im sitting utg with about 5,300 in chips. Not to good at this stage but enough to keep me in it. (blinds 100/200 25 ante).Im dealt the Jc Jh.I raise it to 500. 2 folds and utg + 3 ( who i know is a very loose wild type player, an hour earlier calling an all in with a pair of Kings with a four spades on the board ) announces a re-raise to 1000. Everyone folds to me, i simply call.flop:6c 6d 2s..I feel this is a good flop for me and figure i can take this pot down right now if i bet enough ( this player will call alot unless bet amount is significant )so i check to him, he stares at the board for awhile, looks like he really doesnt want to bet, then bets 500. So i raise to 1500. He then looks at his cards again, thinks about it for a good 3 min and announces all in, I cant put him on a 6, or a straight draw. I think he must have 2 overcards, maybe an A, because he seems to love calling with A high.So i call. He immediatley turns over QQ, and my tournament is over...not a big deal as it was only $30 buy in...but i know if i would have won that pot i could have had a great chance of making the money.So the questions are ...... was i outplayed ? unlucky ? bad decisons with the betting ? etc....what would you have done diferent ? given all the circumstances

[pokerplayer24]

Sounds unlucky to me. You both had hands at the same time and with his table image that seems very difficult to get away from.

[Makata]

XXEddie said:

You said he looked like he didnt wanna bet....but he did anywaythats usually a tell of strengthfold the hand

$10 says he'd have made the exact same play with 77-TT. It's pretty hard to fold such a good hand baed off the provided description. The guy could just as easily have had A2 or 2 overs.Plus with I think it was 2500? already committed, and at least an 8k pot if it put him all in, you would have to be CERTAIN you are against QQ KK AA or 6x to fold. Any other hand, even those with a fair number of outs .. 35, AK, etc, you are definately winning.Plus if he folds, he only has what 2800 remaining, putting him in fairly low chip position where he'd likely have to either catch a rush or get lucky. And I don't see how calling JJ on a 266 board against a loose player could be any worse a risk than trying to win coming back with 2800 chips.

[BigDMcGee]

Granted, you might have been all in anyway, but his re raise preflop, unless he's been raising alot preflop, should be respected. Most new players don't do alot of pre flop re raising. He's hesitant betting should have sent ALARMS off in your head.. classica Caro, strong means weak, weak means strong.... you should not have raised him on that flop... you were too busy thinking about the hand you hand, and not the one he could have.. his action pre flop, and his fishy ass bet on the flop should have shut you way down... granted, you might have lost all your chips anyway, but he sounded newbie enought he might just bet 500 the whole way, and let you live... if he has over cards, let him bluff, ou need to win his chips, if he has you beat, you'll live another day.

[v150super]

not to be the wet blanket here but, when 8 seats out of the money folding JJ under the gun seems pretty easy. so the maniac raised. it wasn't all that strong to start with under these conditions. you already said that most of the feild was weak, aka they won't respect a raise, even from first position. thats if they even know what first position is (you said home game right?)tough break, but bad callp.s. just lost JJ to 7 5 off all in so i feel ya.

[htc1278]

Your read of Villian is that his calls are loose but you don't give a read about when he bets. Has he been betting aggressively pre-flop? Does he bluff a lot on the flop? You raised before the flop, he re-raised, and you called. What about that flop scared him? Did he think you were raising pre-flop with A6 or pocket 2's (and then calling his re-raise with those hands?). His comment seems fishy and should set of alarms. What type of hands might someone feel obligated to push all-in with if they are actually concerned about that flop? If he's actually worried but pushes anyways then I'd put him on a hand that you might be able to beat (pocket 10's, although I don't think this fits with his pre-flop action...I think he'd just call your raise with 10's). I simply don't think he was worried. I'd traf him as being strong (all of the action suggests this) and I'd fold it, waiting for another opportunity. I hope I'm not just being results oriented but I think that because he's pushing the action on both rounds that you can put him on a big hand (or else he'd just be calling).