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Are Near Death Experiences Proof Of An Afterlife?
Started by greatwhite, Aug 08 2008 11:24 AM
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Posted 08 August 2008 - 11:24 AM
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Posted 08 August 2008 - 01:09 PM
What?
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Posted 08 August 2008 - 02:14 PM
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nooooooo shit.
what a faggot.
GET WITH THE PROGRAM BITCH. WE DON'T DO BITCHES ROUND HERE.
what a faggot.
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Posted 08 August 2008 - 02:26 PM
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Posted 09 August 2008 - 12:59 PM
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Posted 12 August 2008 - 03:10 PM
"If it wasn't for luck I'd win every one" -- Phil Hellmuth
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If Hollywood is fake though, I might know who it is. If not, then I'm scared for the world.
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hey leave hollywoodafd alone. he is a quality poster and can post any time he wants.
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lol, I agree with Hollywood... weeeee
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Posted 12 August 2008 - 03:24 PM
Yes.
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Posted 12 August 2008 - 04:13 PM
Well... there ya have it.
Conclusive
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If Hollywood is fake though, I might know who it is. If not, then I'm scared for the world.
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hey leave hollywoodafd alone. he is a quality poster and can post any time he wants.
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lol, I agree with Hollywood... weeeee
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Posted 12 August 2008 - 06:47 PM
There's a lot of data that points to certain medicines that induce many of these NDE and these medicines are common in trauma cases.
So I would say that if they are true, they are for the individual, not for public proof.
So I would say that if they are true, they are for the individual, not for public proof.
I use my cigar smoke as idiot repellent
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected." G.K. Chesterson 1900
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timwakefield, on 18 April 2012 - 10:38 AM, said:
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Posted 12 August 2008 - 07:41 PM
QUOTE (Balloon guy @ Tuesday, August 12th, 2008, 7:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There's a lot of data that points to certain medicines that induce many of these NDE and these medicines are common in trauma cases.
So I would say that if they are true, they are for the individual, not for public proof.
So I would say that if they are true, they are for the individual, not for public proof.
how is a traumatized individual supposed to reliably distinguish between truth and psychosis without "public" proof?
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Posted 12 August 2008 - 08:55 PM
QUOTE (crowTrobot @ Tuesday, August 12th, 2008, 8:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
how is a traumatized individual supposed to reliably distinguish between truth and psychosis without "public" proof?
Maybe I explained it bad, or come from a different perspective.
I meant even if they did die and have an afterlife experience, it isn't relative to anyone but themselves, ie not for the public.
I use my cigar smoke as idiot repellent
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected." G.K. Chesterson 1900
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected." G.K. Chesterson 1900
timwakefield, on 18 April 2012 - 10:38 AM, said:
Things are only rights because the government decides they should be rights.
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Posted 12 August 2008 - 11:05 PM
QUOTE (Balloon guy @ Tuesday, August 12th, 2008, 9:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I meant even if they did die and have an afterlife experience, it isn't relative to anyone but themselves, ie not for the public.
there's nothing relative about it at all. NDE's are either factual experiences indicating there is an afterlife that everyone is subject to or they are the result of psychosis, and the only way to differentiate is to use objective science. certainly a traumatized individual has no way to differentiate without public (objective) help.
same goes for any internal revelation of what is external reality. since it's an obvious fact that the mind/emotions can paint misleading pictures of external reality, without external public help an individual has no way to know if he's fooling himself or not.
also kind of makes faith in general pointless.
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Posted 13 August 2008 - 06:09 AM
QUOTE (crowTrobot @ Wednesday, August 13th, 2008, 12:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
also kind of makes faith in general pointless.
Pretty sure that there isn't anything in the known world that you can try to use to make this claim.
It's kind of an obsession
I use my cigar smoke as idiot repellent
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected." G.K. Chesterson 1900
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected." G.K. Chesterson 1900
timwakefield, on 18 April 2012 - 10:38 AM, said:
Things are only rights because the government decides they should be rights.
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Posted 13 August 2008 - 06:16 AM
QUOTE (crowTrobot @ Wednesday, August 13th, 2008, 12:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
there's nothing relative about it at all. NDE's are either factual experiences indicating there is an afterlife that everyone is subject to or they are the result of psychosis, and the only way to differentiate is to use objective science. certainly a traumatized individual has no way to differentiate without public (objective) help.
same goes for any internal revelation of what is external reality. since it's an obvious fact that the mind/emotions can paint misleading pictures of external reality, without external public help an individual has no way to know if he's fooling himself or not.
same goes for any internal revelation of what is external reality. since it's an obvious fact that the mind/emotions can paint misleading pictures of external reality, without external public help an individual has no way to know if he's fooling himself or not.
Sometimes I think you are pulling our legs. You want to use science to determine whether or not someone had a personal experience? You might as well make the claim that all truth will have to pass through you before it can be truth.
I'll let you in on a secret, we don't care if somethings happen that we can't explain, makes life kind of fun. We don't have to worry that the whole world will think less of us for not really knowing something. And when I say 'we' I mean the rest of the world, not just Christians.
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certainly a traumatized individual has no way to differentiate without public (objective) help.
LOL, of course, why can anyone think they can know what happened to them, without the help of modern science to tell them what it was.
I use my cigar smoke as idiot repellent
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected." G.K. Chesterson 1900
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected." G.K. Chesterson 1900
timwakefield, on 18 April 2012 - 10:38 AM, said:
Things are only rights because the government decides they should be rights.
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Posted 13 August 2008 - 07:24 AM
QUOTE (crowTrobot @ Wednesday, August 13th, 2008, 12:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
there's nothing relative about it at all. NDE's are either factual experiences indicating there is an afterlife that everyone is subject to or they are the result of psychosis, and the only way to differentiate is to use objective science. certainly a traumatized individual has no way to differentiate without public (objective) help.
same goes for any internal revelation of what is external reality. since it's an obvious fact that the mind/emotions can paint misleading pictures of external reality, without external public help an individual has no way to know if he's fooling himself or not.
also kind of makes faith in general pointless.
same goes for any internal revelation of what is external reality. since it's an obvious fact that the mind/emotions can paint misleading pictures of external reality, without external public help an individual has no way to know if he's fooling himself or not.
also kind of makes faith in general pointless.
Hi. I am arrogant, but I am fairly certain by reading this post that my arrogance pails in comparison. It's a testament to your faith in yourself.
So much for a comeback.
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Posted 13 August 2008 - 07:27 AM
QUOTE (Balloon guy @ Wednesday, August 13th, 2008, 7:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pretty sure that there isn't anything in the known world that you can try to use to make this claim.
i'm not making a claim, i'm stating the obvious. because individuals using strictly internal methods aren't capable of differentiating between truth and delusion, faith is effectively a useless method for an individual to reliably determine what is and isn't objective reality.
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Posted 13 August 2008 - 07:39 AM
QUOTE (Balloon guy @ Wednesday, August 13th, 2008, 7:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sometimes I think you are pulling our legs. You want to use science to determine whether or not someone had a personal experience?
no. i want to use science to determine whether personal experiences reflect objective reality or psychosis, since it's the only useful tool we have available to do the job.
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I'll let you in on a secret, we don't care if somethings happen that we can't explain, makes life kind of fun. We don't have to worry that the whole world will think less of us for not really knowing something. And when I say 'we' I mean the rest of the world, not just Christians.
you lost me. what anyone cares about is irrelevant. the truth of NDE's is not a subjective issue, it's a scientific one. finding "fun" or some other personal subjective value in the experience has nothing to do with whether they are objectively real experiences or not.QUOTE
LOL, of course, why can anyone think they can know what happened to them, without the help of modern science to tell them what it was.
for practical purposes they can't.
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Posted 13 August 2008 - 07:43 AM
QUOTE (Loismustdie @ Wednesday, August 13th, 2008, 8:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi. I am arrogant, but I am fairly certain by reading this post that my arrogance pails in comparison. It's a testament to your faith in yourself.
what specifically are you disputing and why?
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