Big Draw On Turn?

[meservery 0]

Poker StarsPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.506 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $52.05UTG+1: $45CO: $99.05Hero: $82.25SB: $98BB: $81.30Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with J T 5 Q UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $1.75, CO calls, Hero raises to $7.75, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.Flop: K 5 T ($31.25, 4 players)BB checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks, Hero checks.Turn: 4 ($31.25, 4 players)BB checks, UTG+1 bets $29.7, CO folds, Hero?

[uncooper 1]

[omadonk] I gotta imagine that bottom two and 10 clean outs to the nut straight (right?) and a backdoor flush draw would be enough to cbet this flop. As played, it's pretty tough to tell where we stand, because I can't properly narrow UTG+1's range. Any reads? Is his EP raise limited to big pairs and big cards or would this be a medium rundown hand some of the time? How bout a read on BB? He cold-called your 3bet, are there any hands in his range that are coming along? Also of note is that UTG+1 has less than $8 behind after his turn bet. Lacking all of this info, I'll stick it in. We probably have multiple ways to win this hand. The only hand we are in bad shape against that I can think of is KKxx (failed flop c/r), and I think that would have to make up an impossibly massive portion of his range to make this anything but a shove.[/omadonk]

[meservery 0]

I gotta imagine that bottom two and 10 clean outs to the nut straight (right?) and a backdoor flush draw would be enough to cbet this flop.

I think I would prolly bet this if it was 3 to the flop... I think all those callers pre, frightened me. Also if I am reading this right i only have 8 straight outs not 10.Uhm. For reads. They're all nits ofcourse.I'll put some PT stats in a second. Prolly not many hands on them though.

[meservery 0]

As played, it's pretty tough to tell where we stand, because I can't properly narrow UTG+1's range. Any reads? Is his EP raise limited to big pairs and big cards or would this be a medium rundown hand some of the time? How bout a read on BB? He cold-called your 3bet, are there any hands in his range that are coming along?

UTG+1 is 62.50/12.50 but only in 24 hands. Didnt notice him till now.BB is 27.13/6.2 in 129 hands. Seemed to be decent.

[uncooper 1]

I think I would prolly bet this if it was 3 to the flop... I think all those callers pre, frightened me. Also if I am reading this right i only have 8 straight outs not 10.Uhm. For reads. They're all nits ofcourse.I'll put some PT stats in a second. Prolly not many hands on them though.

Yea, and it's only 6 clean outs, we don't really like the Ad or 9d. My bad.

[meservery 0]

Yea, and it's only 6 clean outs, we don't really like the Ad or 9d. My bad.

No problem. Your post did not seem "omadonk" at all!

[BudBundy 0]

HU and i push this flop all day but 4 way i don't really fancy our hand at all. I fold this turn. We don't have much clean outs. Our hand is probably good mathematically but i can find a lot better spots to use that $45.

[meservery 0]

HU and i push this flop all day but 4 way i don't really fancy our hand at all. I fold this turn. We don't have much clean outs. Our hand is probably good mathematically but i can find a lot better spots to use that $45.

If properly rolled, wouldn't this be a good spot to gamble trying to get nearly 300 BB on the table?

[BudBundy 0]

Are you considering flatting or pushing? Do you want BB in or out?

[meservery 0]

Are you considering flatting or pushing? Do you want BB in or out?

Well pushing. But I guess that defeats the purpose of trying to get a hugerrrr pot if maybe the BB will then come over the top.

[Shark527 0]

I would consider flatting and seeing a river.

[antistuff 0]

HU and i push this flop all day but 4 way i don't really fancy our hand at all. I fold this turn. We don't have much clean outs. Our hand is probably good mathematically but i can find a lot better spots to use that $45.

there is no such thing as a better spot in cash games, you know that.

[BudBundy 0]

there is no such thing as a better spot in cash games, you know that.

There is such thing as a better spot in cash games. Especially in PLO.Folding %51's against an aggressive donk is a vital part of my gameplan.Obviously it is also a part of Barry Greenstein's gameplan if you read his book "Ace On The River" , the chapter where he says you can consider folding a favourite hand against a live one if you think he will get his money in with a worse hand soon as well.

[antistuff 0]

There is such thing as a better spot in cash games. Especially in PLO.Folding %51's against an aggressive donk is a vital part of my gameplan.Obviously it is also a part of Barry Greenstein's gameplan if you read his book "Ace On The River" , the chapter where he says you can consider folding a favourite hand against a live one if you think he will get his money in with a worse hand soon as well.

you have a point. now that im trying to play a game in which there will be lots of large coinflips i might want to consider this.i lost my copy of that book, im very upset. i especially liked the sex chapter.