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[Absolute]

This hand really confused the shit out of me...no great read on the player yet, but from what i could assume he appears to be Semi-Loose Aggressive/PassivePokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Confused is MP2 with [Kh], [Jd]. 4 folds, Confused calls.Ugh, don't like being 3-bet with KJ. Flop: (7.50 SB) [Jh], [Ts], [Ad] (2 players)Confused checks, MP3 bets, Confused calls.I felt his bet was automatic, and I would try to take control right here. His three-bet is scary but I have outs getting 12.5 to 1 on my call. Turn: (6.75 BB) [4d] (2 players)Confused checks, MP3 checks.plan to check call the turn and fold the river UI. WTF? Weirdest check ever?River: (6.75 BB) [4s] (2 players)Confused bets, MP3 folds.Completely bizarre fold, should I usually check this river? Is it usually a trap? Maybe a horribly played QQ? No clue.Final Pot: 7.75 BB

[wrto4556]

I don't care for the flop C/r. I prefer to bet/call it.I don't like the river bet, either.I could be completely off. This is a tough one.

[the_stein]

Pretty simple what happened.Oh nice a pair of 8s. Who is this guy raising me?! Let me just 3 bet, ohh he jsut called, what a wuss. What a crappy flop, but I'll bet anyways, checkraise? wtf?! No one checkraises me, let me try a 3 bet to win the pot now. **** he called, ok I give up, whatever.

[Absolute]

wrto4556 said:

I don't care for the flop C/r. I prefer to bet/call it.I don't like the river bet, either.I could be completely off. This is a tough one.

should i just stick my finger in my pussy and give up on the hand though?if i don't bet the river he does and i fold.i prefer the b/f line on the river.

[wrto4556]

check/CALLING isnt bad either...

[vaglvr]

the_stein said:

Pretty simple what happened.Oh nice a pair of 8s. Who is this guy raising me?! Let me just 3 bet, ohh he jsut called, what a wuss. What a crappy flop, but I'll bet anyways, checkraise? wtf?! No one checkraises me, let me try a 3 bet to win the pot now. censored he called, ok I give up, whatever.

Exactly.. Maybe an isolation bet pre-flop, and a raise to try and scare you or test you on the flop (or get a free card??) and then shut down...

[CobaltBlue]

QQ seems reasonable. You'd assume he'd have something decent to 3-bet pre-flop. I know it's odd...but his 3-bet on the flop and check on the turn makes it look kind of like he's trying to buy a free card. I guess he might've been hoping to hit a king.

[vaglvr]

CobaltBlue said:

QQ seems reasonable. You'd assume he'd have something decent to 3-bet pre-flop. I know it's odd...but his 3-bet on the flop and check on the turn makes it look kind of like he's trying to buy a free card. I guess he might've been hoping to hit a king.

With the check on the turn a reasonable person after putting so much into the pot calls the river with Q's and one over card.

[Rocketwadster]

I agree with your claim that this hand has you confused, as I am baffled also. Not sure how the table was playing prior to this hand, but I don't like the raise pre-flop with king jack offsuit from MP2. If I am going to play it from there, I would rather limp (weak maybe, but just my opinion). His re-raise on your raise has now put you in a bind. He may be re-raising with a wide array of hands, to see if you have aces or kings (if you did have those hands, you would re-raise him back, but you didn't, so he now knows what you most likely do not have).You tried a check-raise here, which has now bit you hard. As I have mentioned in many other posts, I hardly ever check-raise, and don't think this was a good spot to try it either. Leading into the agressor is what I would have done, then if he raised you back, you can call (costing you two bets as opposed to three). You don't gain any information when he three-bets your check-raise attempt here, so save that bet.Turn is standard for you to check. Why he checked after three-betting the flop is beyond me...gladly take the free card.River paired the board, giving you a great chance for some deception. I like the river bet here, as it did exactly what you hoped, it got him to fold with possibly the best hand. He may have pegged you for trip tens or jacks, to his two pair (ace jack or ace ten). He definately didn't have the straight (he checked the turn), and him having maybe top pair or two pair seems likely in this scenario.Weird wild hand. Unfortunate we will never know what he had... :wink:

[avsfan]

Preflop: Confused is MP2 with [Kh], [Jd]. 4 folds, Confused raises, MP3 3-bets, 4 folds, Confused callsVn. Flop: (7.50 SB) [Jh], [Ts], [Ad] (2 players) Confused checks, MP3 bets, Confused raises, MP3 3-bets, Confused calls. Just bet here. Imho I have outs getting 12.5 to 1 on my call.Yes call like all the time in this situation, just about. Turn: (6.75 BB) [4d] (2 players) Confused checks, MP3 checks. bet this.River: (6.75 BB) [4s] (2 players) Confused bets, MP3 folds. vn.

[BeanGW]

Rocketwadster said:

You tried a check-raise here, which has now bit you hard.  As I have mentioned in many other posts, I hardly ever check-raise, and don't think this was a good spot to try it either.  Leading into the agressor is what I would have done, then if he raised you back, you can call (costing you two bets as opposed to three).  You don't gain any information when he three-bets your check-raise attempt here, so save that bet.

Agreed. I don't like the check raise either. This is a hand that you want to bet into him with. You don't necessarily have the best hand at this point, and disguising your hand when there are a lot of possible trouble hands out there at this point (with the pre-flop three bet), isn't really a great idea.The check raise is a great way to pot commit an villain when you have the nutz, know a villain will bet, and want the guy committed to the pot... but here, commiting the guy to the pot more likely would have cost you. It worked for you here with this passive player, but it's definitely a dangerous move.Back to the hand itself...I might even put this guy on A-K, but, more likely Q-Q. I understand your confusion here, and I think part of the problem, IMHO, is that a lot of semi-loose/passive players simply have a hard time playing on the turn and river... he was playing confused which is why you were confused by his play. 8) Your check-raise on the flop after his three-bet pre-flop probably has a passive player thinking you either flopped two pair, a set, or the nutz straight, any of which would mean that his hand will need some help. If he has Q's, he may also have reason to believe that even if another Q falls it could complete your straight, in which case he'd be drawing virtually dead by the turn.If he puts you on the set, the river filled up your boat and he's dead with A-K or Q's to a wide variety of hands that would check raise the flop.It's a confusing hand to read, and definitely one that I think a passive player might just let go.