Yoda 1 Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 If I show you my stats can some people break it down and give their opinion on it? I only recently started using PT3 so the sample isn't large - Is 3500 hands enough of a sample to be meaningful? Well I will just put them here - and if you think it isn't enough hands to be meaningful, feel free to say so. I believe this is pretty typical of how I play - maybe I raise a little more with some drinks in me. But I am typically a little more passive than some may say is ideal pre flop. But I am picky with table selection and like to be seated with 40/30 donks who will do the betting/bluffing for you. I won't post my chart/results unless requested or at least until after dissection (if it will help). Are these numbers within a good enough range? Any monster leaks?(All hands are from 1/2NL 6max)VP$IP - 23.84PRF - 8.58W$WSF - 38.88WTSD - 24.75W$SD - 62.12AF - 1.81AFq - 38.833bet 2.55 Fold 3B - 73.44Att to Steal 21.46Fold BB to Steal 67.65Fold SB to Steal 82.09 Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 VP$IP - 23.84PRF - 8.58These have to be closer. I don't care how much you table select, you need to stop calling so much.W$WSF - 38.88 This is a little low, but it's mostly a reaction to your passivity preflop.W$SD - 62.12 This is extraordinarily high, and probably due to smallish sample size. If this is natural, you are almost certainly folding too many winners. AF - 1.81 Too low. Again, this is a response to your passivity preflop.AFq - 38.83 I need to read up on AFq. Not something I've really used before.3bet 2.55 Too low. Again, stop being so passive preflop. Start 3betting more. If a LAG opens from the CO, 3bet him with 89s and with 33 and with AJs and other hands too.Fold 3B - 73.44 Given how little you raise, I think this is somewhat high. You're only calling 3bets with monster hands, and you can call more often than that.Att to Steal 21.46 Too low. This should be above 30%. You need to start playing more pots in position.Fold BB to Steal 67.65 Too low. Stop defending so much. Calling raises OOP is -EV. If someone in mid position raises, don't feel like you have to call with 22-55 or QTs. I play 34/25 overall and I'm only down at 76%. Most people should be around 80%.Fold SB to Steal 82.09 I'd say this should be a couple of points higher.Basically, stop calling so much. If you can get preflop up to 20/15 or something you'll see a huge improvement, and a lot of hands will become a lot easier to play. Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 simo you should just put all that stuff in your sig. I think I've heard you give that same advice to some donk before ;)oh, and Is 3500 hands enough of a sample to be meaningful?no, but it can give some general ideas of your overall style, which simo has pointed out Link to post Share on other sites
Yoda 1 Posted July 29, 2008 Author Share Posted July 29, 2008 VP$IP - 23.84PRF - 8.58These have to be closer. I don't care how much you table select, you need to stop calling so much.W$WSF - 38.88 This is a little low, but it's mostly a reaction to your passivity preflop.W$SD - 62.12 This is extraordinarily high, and probably due to smallish sample size. If this is natural, you are almost certainly folding too many winners. AF - 1.81 Too low. Again, this is a response to your passivity preflop.AFq - 38.83 I need to read up on AFq. Not something I've really used before.3bet 2.55 Too low. Again, stop being so passive preflop. Start 3betting more. If a LAG opens from the CO, 3bet him with 89s and with 33 and with AJs and other hands too.Fold 3B - 73.44 Given how little you raise, I think this is somewhat high. You're only calling 3bets with monster hands, and you can call more often than that.Att to Steal 21.46 Too low. This should be above 30%. You need to start playing more pots in position.Fold BB to Steal 67.65 Too low. Stop defending so much. Calling raises OOP is -EV. If someone in mid position raises, don't feel like you have to call with 22-55 or QTs. I play 34/25 overall and I'm only down at 76%. Most people should be around 80%.Fold SB to Steal 82.09 I'd say this should be a couple of points higher.Basically, stop calling so much. If you can get preflop up to 20/15 or something you'll see a huge improvement, and a lot of hands will become a lot easier to play.tyvm - I kind of expected that to be the response I got. Do you/does anyone thing it is okay to play that passive though? Or is it downright not optimal and hurting performance in the long run. I don't want to get into results yet, I will stay more general. But I can say that I feel more comfortable with this level passiveness - and, I often don't like the situations I get myself in to when I raise more often and therefor C-bet more often, and then start getting called/raised more when i'm often weaker/missed. At higher stakes I am confident I would need to be significantly more tricky/aggressive, however I think 1/2NL plays pretty standard and a lot of people are paying very little attention to how I am playing. (And I usually know the ones that are def paying attention cause they play 50 hours a week at those tables).If one were to increase pre flop aggression would you suggest they need to also be more aggressive post flop, or tread a little more carefully? It is always difficult to make an adjustment in poker because the change does not exist in a vacuum, it affects your image and a lot of other things. So if I do start to change things up I want to be aware of what else it is going to affect and head that off early. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Do you/does anyone thing it is okay to play that passive though? Or is it downright not optimal and hurting performance in the long run.I know profitable players who are 20/13, others who play 25/18, 30/20, 35/28, 12/8, anything in between. I don't know anyone who makes money playing 24/8.That's not to say it isn't possible, but it's certainly not common. Link to post Share on other sites
Yoda 1 Posted July 29, 2008 Author Share Posted July 29, 2008 I know profitable players who are 20/13, others who play 25/18, 30/20, 35/28, 12/8, anything in between. I don't know anyone who makes money playing 24/8.That's not to say it isn't possible, but it's certainly not common.Interesting..I wish I had the hundreds of thousands of hands over the last few years and could see what my stats are overall. But I can tell you I am def a winning player AINEC But I am quite aware my PFR is passive - and I am trying to figure it all out. Link to post Share on other sites
gobears 0 Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 I only play full ring at mainly 200 nlhe and I'm at 22/14/2 over 110K+ hands and I consider myself a bit too passive so 24/8/1.8 at 6max does seem passive to me.Once thing I've done in the past when I feel myself getting too passive preflop is to only raise/fold unless it's like a 9/8 guy who is opening and I have a mid/low PP at which point I'll just call in position. Link to post Share on other sites
Yoda 1 Posted July 29, 2008 Author Share Posted July 29, 2008 I only play full ring at mainly 200 nlhe and I'm at 22/14/2 over 110K+ hands and I consider myself a bit too passive so 24/8/1.8 at 6max does seem passive to me.Once thing I've done in the past when I feel myself getting too passive preflop is to only raise/fold unless it's like a 9/8 guy who is opening and I have a mid/low PP at which point I'll just call in position.meh, one half of me says "if it ain't broke don't fix it" and the other half is saying "it's got a crack it's got a crack!". I guess I will have to experiment a little. I am clearly more passive than most. Although it doesn't feel that way when i'm playing. Link to post Share on other sites
Nashtak 0 Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 What are all these numbers and stats? Can i have a link? I think this could help me soon or later. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 What are all these numbers and stats? Can i have a link? I think this could help me soon or later. http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...showtopic=12767http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...howtopic=117977 Link to post Share on other sites
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