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[Rocketwadster]

I tried a play yesterday playing $0.50/1.00 on UB, which I think has merit. It didn't work that particular hand that I tried it (my opponent had ace jack, called me down all the way to the river to catch a jack to beat my tens), but I think it can over the long run. Many a time, you raise or re-raise with a high pocket pair (ie. queens, jacks, tens...not kings or aces for this post), only to get re-raised back from someone who may or may not have you beat at that time (Ace King, Ace Queen, etc). With the high pocket pairs that I have listed, when you get raised back you usually just call, but is that not signalling to your opponent that you definately do not have pocket aces or kings? I am thinking that by raising back to them (which will either 3-bet it or cap it depending on how the betting and raising all went down), would this not help to disguise your hand's true value, possibly allowing you to win the pot on the flop or turn with agressive betting/raising/check-raising? I am not saying to do this all the time, but using it occasionally against certain opponents I believe will work in the long run. After all, it is only one more small bet to make pre-flop.I am terrible at typing what I am trying to convey, so I am sorry if this is confusing. I'll try to give you an example of what I am trying to convey.Lets say you are in the CO with pocket jacks. UTG +1 raises, it is folded around to you, and you re-raise it. Button 3-bets, UTG+2 folds (or calls...will it make a difference?), SB folds, BB folds, and now what do you do? Well, seeing as you don't have aces or kings, aren't you supposed to just call here? It is the Button that 3-bet it, so their position may make ace king or some hand of that nature better than it actually is. By just calling, you are basically telling the Button that you do not have aces or kings, so why not cap it here with your jacks? Flop comes queen, 9, 4 or something not really threatening to our jacks. Now, we have disguised our strength for the cost of one small bet pre-flop. We can bet out here on the flop, and if they raise we can re-raise (most likely getting ace king or less to fold), or check-raise (which I don't like as there is no guarantee that they are going to bet). Probably a terrible example that I am explain.Anyhow, I would appreciate some input from the forum members on this concept... :think:

[Vade]

Nah, I don't think it's worth it on High PP less then Queens, because when the overcard hits, you've just managed to lose more money.Jacks, and 10's etc need little card flops or a 3rd to win pots

[bobbywithani]

Plus if you have multiple opponents, you are giving them better pot odds to call down with marginal hands.

[Rocketwadster]

bobbywithani said:

Plus if you have multiple opponents, you are giving them better pot odds to call down with marginal hands.

multiple opponents when the pot was capped pre-flop...hmmmmy example was geared more towards heads up or possibly two opponents at the most. And, I'm not saying to do it all the time, only against certain opponents.

[BigDMcGee]

what should matter is how aggressive yoru opponents are or aren't... what kind of hands they will raise and re raise with and what they won't. If they will only re raise with aces and kings, this raise is foolish. If they are a looser re raiser, than these raises are sound... don't worry about giving your oppoents odds to chase. The only thing that matters really is how well your hand plays against what your opponents could have. If have JJ and you're against AK and AQ, you are only going to win about 40 percent of the time.. but you're putting in 33 percent of the money when you're going to win 40 percent of the time, so feel free to raise raise raise. The way I see preflop is that there are really two hands that are generally in the best shape preflop... the best pocket pair, and the highest two cards. Like for example if someone has JJ and another has AK, they are going to win most of the pots... everyone else is taking the worst of it, so AK and JJ should jam the pot preflop and make the other hands pay to catch up.

[BigDMcGee]

what should matter is how aggressive yoru opponents are or aren't... what kind of hands they will raise and re raise with and what they won't. If they will only re raise with aces and kings, this raise is foolish. If they are a looser re raiser, than these raises are sound... don't worry about giving your oppoents odds to chase. The only thing that matters really is how well your hand plays against what your opponents could have. If have JJ and you're against AK and AQ, you are only going to win about 40 percent of the time.. but you're putting in 33 percent of the money when you're going to win 40 percent of the time, so feel free to raise raise raise. The way I see preflop is that there are really two hands that are generally in the best shape preflop... the best pocket pair, and the highest two cards. Like for example if someone has JJ and another has AK, they are going to win most of the pots... everyone else is taking the worst of it, so AK and JJ should jam the pot preflop and make the other hands pay to catch up.