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#1 da_suit

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 09:34 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB (t3145)
BB (t2465)
UTG (t3390)
UTG+1 (t2770)
MP1 (t3070)
Hero (t4500)
MP3 (t1830)
CO (t2980)
Button (t2890)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T, T.
UTG raises to t100, 2 folds, Hero calls t100, 5 folds.

Flop: (t230) 8, Q, 6 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t230) A (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: (t230) T (2 players)
UTG bets 400, Hero ??

Final Pot: t230


He's played pretty tight and seems solid. He's solid enough to where I don't think he's raising KJ UTG. Any thoughts on my line?

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 10:13 AM

I am wondering where your flop bet is still. Maybe even a Preflop reraise in position. Kinda have to call that river bet at least dont you think? Considering the way you played the hand I would just call and not repop it there since you did say he is pretty tight. Only reason I might not reraise is just based on the way you played the hand.

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 10:56 AM

What's the point of calling the raise in position if you're not going to bet that flop when he checks to you? The only hand you're really worried about is KJ here, and I don't think he'd overbet the pot like that on the river with the nuts. Looks more like a bluff or perhaps he's trying to push you off the pot with a weak Ace or something. I'd probably minraise and see if I can extract more chips.
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 11:00 AM

QUOTE (jmbreslin @ Thursday, July 17th, 2008, 10:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What's the point of calling the raise in position if you're not going to bet that flop when he checks to you? The only hand you're really worried about is KJ here, and I don't think he'd overbet the pot like that on the river with the nuts. Looks more like a bluff or perhaps he's trying to push you off the pot with a weak Ace or something. I'd probably minraise and see if I can extract more chips.


I almost popped him p/f but decided I wanted to play a small pot with him. Then when he checked the flop its seemed really out of character for him not to C/B so I thought he may of flopped a big hand. which is why I checked.

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 01:05 PM

QUOTE (da_suit @ Thursday, July 17th, 2008, 11:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I almost popped him p/f but decided I wanted to play a small pot with him. Then when he checked the flop its seemed really out of character for him not to C/B so I thought he may of flopped a big hand. which is why I checked.



So instead of a 150-200 bet on the flop or turn you're now looking at 400 on the river?!?!!?? Only hand that he could have that's a monster would be pocket queens or possibly 8s (would he pf-raise with pocket 8s from UTG?) but you don't know b/c you passed up 2 streets to bet and find out. A BASIC rule in fast tourneys is "IF HE CHECKS - YOU BET" - it's automatic and has extremely few exceptions! You can steal no pots or get any information by checking thru and giving up free cards. If he ck-raises you fold and if he just calls he will most often ck on the turn and THEN you can play for a small pot and ck it thru. Once that Ten hits the river you're ahead most of the time but if he bets you just call - no way I would fold a set for that amount.

And forget the re-pop preflop - TT vs a tighty from UTG is strickly a calling hand. You're hoping he has AA, KK and you flop a set or AK and missed the board so you can steal it from position. A re-raise preflop just open the door for him to go over the top huge and force you out without seeing the flop - mistake imo.

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 02:14 PM

Bet the flop for sure. If he has AK, AJ or a pocket pair that he missed you want to value bet/charge for the draw. If hes got a AQ its cheaper to find out early. Having missed the flop and he checks the turn bet it repping the A. If he calls he probably checks the river expecting you to bet for him, but check behind. If he raises the turn bet you can get out. I agree you want to keep the pot small, but youre flying blind playing so passively.
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 04:36 PM

Thanks for the opinions, I obviously wasn't thrilled with the way I played it. In retrospect I should of bet out to see what his action/inactions would of been and couldve gone from there.

Results are in white below if anyone cares.

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I call and he tables QQ.(Which makes my read correct although it cost me more in the end since I did not find out for cheaper on the flop.)



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Thanks for the help.

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 11:21 AM

Yeah, bet that flop.

And hope you make notes on this guy that he is trappy and will flop nuts in early position then check flop and turn.
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Posted 19 July 2008 - 12:32 AM

I would flat call. You are never folding this ever.

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Posted 19 July 2008 - 10:31 AM

This hand would be much easier if you bet the flop and/or turn.

If you had done that and gotten called, river is an easy raise. Villain never has KJ here if he calls flop raise. if he's slowplaying AQ on the flop and just smooth-calls a bet, easy turn check behind, and raise a river bet, value-towning Ax two pair hands.
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Posted 22 July 2008 - 12:15 AM

I don't mind a check on the flop, but when he checks the turn you have to fire.




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