86s heads up play

[wrto4556 0]

BB is a very tricky very aggressive player. I really enjoy playing with him because it's fun playing against a tricky player.Against most players, I raise on the button about 80% of the time. some only 50% some 100%. I raise his blind about 70% of the time.preflop: I get delt 8 6 on the Button.I raise, BB 3-bets, I call.Good players will 3-bet to let you know that you can't rise their blind constantly. It doesn't have to be a good hand, just to let other players know..."hey, back off...this trout bits back."Flop: J 6 4 BB bets, I call.Turn: 2 BB bets, I call.River: 5 BB bets, I call.Discuss.

[allinbluff35 0]

if you think you're ahead still why not raise the turn? unless you planned on calling him down to get a read on him. . .

[KDawgCometh 2]

I like the hand. I think I'd like a turn pop just to test him out a little. You probably have the best hand though

[wrto4556 0]

Keith and Dave,If I raise the turn i'm taking a free showdown if offered and folding to a 3-bet, right?

[KDawgCometh 2]

Keith and Dave,If I raise the turn i'm taking a free showdown if offered and folding to a 3-bet, right?

kinda goes without saying. calling him down also keeps him honest. wa/wb

[wrto4556 0]

That's what I was thinking. I would really hate to fold to a 3-bet from a worse pair and a straight draw or AT. He's capable of it. I also don't want him to fold a hand like AK to a raise. So I figured I would call down. Another benefit is that it's a strategy to stop bluffing. Kinda 3rd level thinking going on.I raise preflop on the button and he goes into aggro mode to tell me that I can't raise his blind all the time. Alot of people bluff just to let you know they aren't scared to play a big pot...so I used that against him and did the counter bluff strategy, or whatever.BB shows 54o and I lose.

[Guest]

I think calling him down is a pretty good play.. Even though I already saw the results I suppose its kind of biased.If you raise the turn he's gonna call with his draw anyways. It was a good read on the "you can't take my blind that easily" deal. Calling through saved you an extra bet and you confirmed your read. Not really much you can do when he hit.

[NickTheKid 0]

wrto, I swear I was thinking this before I saw the results, but I thought it woulda been best to raise the flop.

[wrto4556 0]

why?

[NickTheKid 0]

Okay well this guy 3bet pre flop right? I'd figure if he's holding any jack, it would be A-J, or J-J. You more than likely have the best hand. If you put a raise on him it not only shows you aren't messing around, but the guy would rethink his Overcards, or his 4.EDIT: sorry, I didn't mean to write bluff, it's too late for this

[wrto4556 0]

what about 77, 88, 99, TT, QQ, KK, AA? Those hands beat me, too and they are all 3-betting hands. So is 44 and 66(both being less likely).

[obs 0]

This is standard.

[NickTheKid 0]

Ugh, I see your point. My mistake.I totally forgot about PP's... I better go to bed.

[avsfan 0]

Raise the flop.

[SapphireTiger 0]

why dont' you raise the flop to get more info on the strength of his hand?is that why people were suggesting raising the turn?

[the_stein 0]

BB is a very tricky very aggressive player. I really enjoy playing with him because it's fun playing against a tricky player.Against most players, I raise on the button about 80% of the time. some only 50% some 100%. I raise his blind about 70% of the time.preflop: I get delt 8 6  on the Button.I raise, BB 3-bets, I call.Good players will 3-bet to let you know that you can't rise their blind constantly. It doesn't have to be a good hand, just to let other players know..."hey, back off...this trout bits back."Flop: J 6 4  BB bets, I call.Turn: 2  BB bets, I call.River: 5  BB bets, I call.Discuss.

Here is how I would have played it, same way you did before the flop...Flop: raise, if he 3 bets I will call (sometimes I'll cap it)since its only one more SB, and check fold the turn if I don't improve (if I capped it and he leads on the turn I'll fold)Turn: Assuming I 3 bet and he just flat called I'll bet again. Usually I'll get called here or they fold here, but once in a while I'll get raised which would suck horribly, in that case I'll either fold now, or check/call till a showdown River: Assuming I 3 bet the flop and bet the turn, I would check now. If all of a sudden he bet now, I'd have to make a crying call.