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[vbnautilus]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/08/atheist.soldier/index.html

[speedz99]

Our army has a relatively high percentage of uneducated christian douchebags?

I, for one, don't believe it.

[AmScray]

Our army has a relatively high percentage of uneducated christian douchebags?

I, for one, don't believe it.

YEAHWELL IF IT WEREN'T FOR THEM YOU WOULD BE SPEAKING GERMAN RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!11!!1!!!one!!!1!!

[speedz99]

YEAHWELL IF IT WEREN'T FOR THEM YOU WOULD BE SPEAKING GERMAN RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!11!!1!!!one!!!1!!

As a fellow pretty-much-non-jewish-jew you might appreciate the amount of amusement that I'm currently getting due to the fact that my cousin is dating a man named Adolph. It's almost too funny to handle when my grandmother and mother talk about how much it upsets them (above and beyond the problem of him being a gentile).

[AmScray]

Oh g-d... LMAO!
I guess that's the ultimate rebellion for a Jewish girl. Probably the equivalent of shishka's who copulate with Negroes and bring home a halfie grandson to dear old dad...

The perfect trifeca would be if he were poor to boot.

[KramitDaToad]

Oh g-d... LMAO!
I guess that's the ultimate rebellion for a Jewish girl.

I like how you assume that speedz's cousin is a girl

[BigDMcGee]

I like how you assume that speedz's cousin is a girl

I know, right.. it's not like the odds are about 20-1 in scram's favor of it being a girl or anything, how crazy he is to assume.

[KramitDaToad]

I know, right.. it's not like the odds are about 20-1 in scram's favor of it being a girl or anything, how crazy he is to assume.

Sheesh - it was a joke

Playing on the irony of a jewish grandmother/mother being so upset over the name of the boyfriend that they completely overlook their old world views on fudge-packers

Speedz's post...

"As a fellow pretty-much-non-jewish-jew you might appreciate the amount of amusement that I'm currently getting due to the fact that my cousin is dating a man named Adolph. It's almost too funny to handle when my grandmother and mother talk about how much it upsets them (above and beyond the problem of him being a gentile)."

...becomes even more amusing when you assume his cousin is a guy.

Oh well, swing and a miss I guess.

[BigDMcGee]

...becomes even more amusing when you assume his cousin is a guy.

Oh well, swing and a miss I guess.

yes, yes, i got what you were trying to do, thus the "1-20"

It's just, when you say " I like how he assumes it's a girl", the emphasis there is on the assumption itself rather than the potential gayness of his cousin, as if you're trying to make some point about how we in a society, given an ambiguous, non-gender specific sentence, will assume hetrosexual gender identities. Which is why I made my post, because that sort of assumption is 100 percent understandable.

[Jackie Childs]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/08/atheist.soldier/index.html

Who told you to put the crucifix on?





What a pussy.

[Balloon guy]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/08/atheist.soldier/index.html

How do you refuse to pray at Thanksgiving dinner?

Did they ask everyone to stand and bow? or what? Did he refuse to stand? Was he asked to say Grace and couldn't in good conscience say: Thanks for the food, amen"? Is he going to lose out his place in oblivion if he doesn't stand true to atheism 100% of the time?

How many people stand up, think about something else and sit down?

Sounds like he's a whiner who wants his 15 minutes of fame and is shocked that the world doesn't suffer whiners.

Except at CNN. There they promote them to head editor

[crowTrobot]

How do you refuse to pray at Thanksgiving dinner?

Did they ask everyone to stand and bow? or what? Did he refuse to stand? Was he asked to say Grace and couldn't in good conscience say: Thanks for the food, amen"?

just like you to pick out the one example from the article and ignore what's implied about the overall picture. obviously it's not just about the one incident. presumably units pray together a lot.

Is he going to lose out his place in oblivion if he doesn't stand true to atheism 100% of the time?

to some people the self-esteem and integrity they have in this life is just as important as heaven is to you. how would you feel if you had to work with a bunch of dems who required you to recite liberal mantras every day or else be an outcast?

Sounds like he's a whiner who wants his 15 minutes of fame and is shocked that the world doesn't suffer whiners.

apparently you missed the part where it said his life was threatened.

[Balloon guy]

just like you to pick out the one example from the article and ignore what's implied about the overall picture. obviously it's not just about the one incident. presumably units pray together a lot.

You mean like the time another soldier, after escaping death with him, leans over and asks if he believes in Jesus now? Yea, I was really avoiding that because it was so clear that this is the army's posisiton on IEDs.

to some people the self-esteem and integrity they have in this life is just as important as heaven is to you. how would you feel if you had to work with a bunch of dems who required you to recite liberal mantras every day or else be an outcast?

I didn't go to college partly to avoid this.

apparently you missed the part where it said his life was threatened.

Yea, we all believe that.

So some whiner has to make every single incident that happens all about his personal belief that there is no God and then whines when people don't change everything in order to fit his new beliefs and we are suppose to fear that the military has a secret 'code' that prevents getting promotions?

Next thing you'll know he'll spend all his time on some random internet site, spouting his all encompassing opinion about there being no God 24/7.

[El Guapo]

Maybe he felt threatened or maybe he did not.

When my Mother in Law wants to say grace at Xmas dinner, I bow my head in respect for her beliefs. When I was in High School and our football team huddled to say a prayer, I huddled with them. It is about comradery in the military, if 90+% of the people in the military are Christian or lean toward that religion and they want to say a prayer before they go into battle, and all of a sudden someone is standing off to the side, or throwing a fit for something that is harmless regardless of his belief system, then they are not going to trust him. Simple as that. So I am sure if he was overly vocal in these scenarios and made a scene, I can see where he would be harassed and/or even threatened.

The military in our lifetime is a voluntary organization. He was not drafted, he chose to enlist, he himself was one of the Christian believers, at any point do you think he stood up then and said please do not pray we may be offending an Atheist, or a Buddhist in our group.

If when he is out of the military and he is at a Sporting event and he does not want to stand for the star spangled banner, or recite the pledge of allegiance because of the word God, then so be it. But I am sorry this is not the place to make your anti-religious stand.

[crowTrobot]

all the article said was that he refused to pray himself and was discriminated against for it. there was nothing mentioned about whining, throwing fits, or making any sort of anti-religious stand. you guys are writing your own assumption-based stories.

[SlapStick]

So he believes in killing people?

[crowTrobot]

So he believes in killing people?

maybe you should ask why any christian would believe in killing people.

[SlapStick]

maybe you should ask why any christian would believe in killing people.

I gave up on christianity a long time ago. I just find it funny that someone can go to the army and not expect to have to accept some things to survive. He's in Iraq not a call centre

[IamStewie]

I gave up on christianity a long time ago. I just find it funny that someone can go to the army and not expect to have to accept some things to survive. He's in Iraq not a call centre

LOL.... typical atheist. They should all go to HELL !

Wait... is that fair?

Well.. they should all go to whatever the bad atheist place is!

[El Guapo]

all the article said was that he refused to pray himself and was discriminated against for it. there was nothing mentioned about whining, throwing fits, or making any sort of anti-religious stand. you guys are writing your own assumption-based stories.

It is this simple, if the soldiers all take a knee and one says a prayer and he does not take a knee, regardless of how he feels about that prayer, it is going to piss everyone off and show a lack of comradery. Simple as that. I am not saying it is right for the other soldiers to attack him or threaten him, but it is what it is, and anyone in that situation is going to have to conform. This is much different than if you were at a board meeting and every week your CEO wanted everyone to hold hands around the table a listen to a prayer.