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[Absolute]

I am going to try to post any hand I get in with KJo because it is probably the hardest hand for me to play.PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: CantPlayKJ is MP2 with [Kh], [Jd]. 3 folds, CantPlayKJ calls.Flop: (7.50 SB) [5c], [2d], [Ks] (2 players)CantPlayKJ checks, Button bets, CantPlayKJ calls.I think the C/R here is good. 3 bet is scary, so I go into C/C mode?Turn: (6.75 BB) [9s] (2 players)CantPlayKJ checks, Button bets, CantPlayKJ calls.River: (8.75 BB) [9h] (2 players)CantPlayKJ checks, Button checks.Final Pot: 8.75 BBwhat the hell

[Rock Crawler]

I have problems with this type of hand also. It is a hand that can easily be dominated.1. I don't know that I would have raised with it, although I generally do raise if I'm first in, because in this case the callers you're going to get could very well have you dominated, ie. AK, KQ, AJ, so by hitting a J or K you could be in big trouble2. Without any other info the 3 bet pre- flop would tend to indicate this. Could be QQ or JJ too but with the 3 bet on the flop It looks like your up against AA, AK, or KKPlaying hands that can easily be dominated is very difficult, I watch players lose all the time with K,10, so it is very important to focus on the other guys possible holdings. Obviously it also helps to know what type of player he is (if your opp was a bit of a maniac I would say he could easily have pocket tens). Since it can be hard to determione if you do have the best hand it is difficult to be aggressive, so you somtimes have to settle for a small pot if you win, but you also limit your loss.Mastering these types of hands is what seperates the grerat from the good.Good luck

[jjdylan]

Dont raise KJo preflop unless its folded to you in late position....but after that your play looks good

[DCWildcat]

That is exactly why we hate that hand.I probably wouldn't raise unless it was KJs, even though you're the first one in. But that's probably because I hate that hand.

[KDawgCometh]

TO all of you who are swuggestiong that we open donk from MP2, YOUR DUMB. Raise is fine and so is the rest of the hand

[BeanGW]

KDawgCometh said:

TO all of you who are swuggestiong that we open donk from MP2, YOUR DUMB. Raise is fine and so is the rest of the hand

KDawg: Without a good read of the table, I am not sure I understand how you can say that a raise with K-J offsuit from MP is +EV (or criticize those who would play it differently than you).

[MrNiceGuy]

I did some quick math, I get that with 5 people left to act behind you, you will only be up against someone with AK, KQ, AJ, AA, KK, QQ, or JJ about 21% of the time. So simply based on that, I think it's a definite preflop raise.I can't see anyplace to fold on this hand - if the K on the flop was the J, maybe you could fold on the turn, but I'm not sure even that makes sense, since you could still be against AK (or maybe even TT).This might be a crazy idea, but would it make any sense to fold to the three-bet preflop in that situation? I know you're getting over 6-1 on your money, but you're out of position and you have no idea whether a K or a J on the flop will put you in front.I don't like this idea here, because button could three-bet to isolate with any pair, in addition to big hands, right? But what if MP3 3-bets and everybody folds, so that you're almost certainly dominated? Obviously you can't fold if he's either a LAG or extremely tricky preflop, but what if he's a fairly straightforward player?

[wrto4556]

The raise preflop is standidillyandard.I would do the CCB line, here...maybe even c/c-c/c-c/c.

[KDawgCometh]

BeanGW said:

KDawgCometh said:

TO all of you who are swuggestiong that we open donk from MP2, YOUR DUMB. Raise is fine and so is the rest of the hand

KDawg: Without a good read of the table, I am not sure I understand how you can say that a raise with K-J offsuit from MP is +EV (or criticize those who would play it differently than you).

Keep being scared of raising it here, you'll make a lot of $$$ :roll: . Look you have definate High card value here and your hand rates better than other blind hands from this position. I don't need a "good read" on the table to raise it here, its standard. If you are afraid of it then just fold it, but my god DON'T OPEN LIMP FROM MP2

[BeanGW]

KDawgCometh said:

BeanGW said:

KDawgCometh said:

TO all of you who are swuggestiong that we open donk from MP2, YOUR DUMB. Raise is fine and so is the rest of the hand

KDawg: Without a good read of the table, I am not sure I understand how you can say that a raise with K-J offsuit from MP is +EV (or criticize those who would play it differently than you).

Keep being scared of raising it here, you'll make a lot of $$$ :roll: . Look you have definate High card value here and your hand rates better than other blind hands from this position. I don't need a "good read" on the table to raise it here, its standard. If you are afraid of it then just fold it, but my god DON'T OPEN LIMP FROM MP2

Kewl. I can dig it. Now, if there was a UTG limper/raiser in this situation, would you have played it any differently preflop?

[KDawgCometh]

BeanGW said:

KDawgCometh said:

BeanGW said:

KDawgCometh said:

TO all of you who are swuggestiong that we open donk from MP2, YOUR DUMB. Raise is fine and so is the rest of the hand

KDawg: Without a good read of the table, I am not sure I understand how you can say that a raise with K-J offsuit from MP is +EV (or criticize those who would play it differently than you).

Keep being scared of raising it here, you'll make a lot of $$$ :roll: . Look you have definate High card value here and your hand rates better than other blind hands from this position. I don't need a "good read" on the table to raise it here, its standard. If you are afraid of it then just fold it, but my god DON'T OPEN LIMP FROM MP2

Kewl. I can dig it. Now, if there was a UTG limper/raiser in this situation, would you have played it any differently preflop?

if there is one open limper in I'm raising, I now want to isolate the limper. If its raised in front of me, I'm folding faster than you can say yes

[econ_tim]

I find KJo difficult too. Here are two hands from a recent session that I probably misplayed. All are $2/$4 at FullTilt.Hand 1econ_timPreflop - UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, econ_tim calls.Pot: 11 SBLots of bets in already.Flop - [ 9 :club: T :spade: 4 :heart: ]SB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, econ_tim bets, MP2 folds, SB calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls.Pot: 14 SBI bet here to try and buy the button, and to pump the pot for my overcard and gutshot draws.Turn - [ 7 :spade: ]SB checks, UTG+1 checks, econ_tim checks.Pot: 7 BBHere I decide to take a free card, although maybe betting is better with a double gutshot and overcards.River - [8 :heart: ]SB bets, UTG+1 calls, econ_tim raises, SB calls, UTG+1 folds.Pot: 12 BBI've made my straight and I'm not too worried about lurking KQ.Results in white: econ_tim shows J high straight, SB shows [J 9] for J high straight.Hand 2econ_timPreflop - UTG calls, econ_tim calls, SB calls.Pot: 8 SBNormally I don't like to play KJo from early position, but this table was very passive. Unfortunately, the BB had a hand.Flop - [ Q :heart: 9 :club: J :diamond: ]SB checks, BB bets, UTG folds, econ_tim calls, SB calls.Pot: 11 SBIs raising the flop better? I've certainly got odds to call.Turn - [T :heart: ]BB bets, econ_tim raises, SB folds, BB calls.Pot: 9 BBDoesn't look like BB has AK.River - [ 6 :heart: ]BB checks, econ_tim bets, BB calls.Final Pot: 11 BBNot afraid of backdoor flush either.Results in white: econ_tim shows K high straight, BB shows [A Q] for a pair of queens.

[KDawgCometh]

don't hijack Absolute's thread :-) . Hand 1. I'd really like a flop check call a lot more. You don't want to get raised and having to possibly be HU w/a gutshot and possibly tainted overcards.Hand 2: raise the flop. Its gonna be HU more than likely anyway, so buy yourself a free card w/Gitshot and an overcard