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#1 Absolute

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Posted 10 May 2005 - 03:55 AM

PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: DirkDiggler is UTG+2 with [3c], [3s]. 2 folds, BB calls, DirkDiggler calls.Flop: (6.50 SB) [3d], [4s], [8h] (3 players)BB checks, DirkDiggler checks, CO bets, BB calls, DirkDiggler calls.Turn: (4.75 BB) [9c] (3 players)BB checks, DirkDiggler checks, CO bets, CO calls.River: (8.75 BB) [Th] (2 players)DirkDiggler bets, CO folds.Final Pot: 9.75 BBWas waiting for the turn to bump it up here best?Am I brilliant or losing money?
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Posted 10 May 2005 - 04:10 AM

Hmmm. Are you losing money, or are you a genius...now THAT is a toughy. As far as how it applies to this particular hand, I think you played it great. Only other option was to do the check-raise after the flop, but I think the way you did it here got you at least one more big bet. :clap:

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Posted 10 May 2005 - 06:43 AM

Stop and go == flopped set. At least, that's what I've seen when people use it on my tables. I'm surprised villian didn't drop his overcards on the turn.You probably could've bet out on the flop. Villian might've put you on a larger range of hands, and he might have stuck around after the turn raise and/or raised the flop.Then again, you may have played it perfectly. It really depends on how aggressive/good/donkey-like your opponent is.

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Posted 10 May 2005 - 06:59 AM

I don't think villain would have tossed out a bet on the turn if you hadn't checked on the turn. Well played.

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Posted 10 May 2005 - 07:03 AM

Thats pretty close to how I would have played it, however I may have folded 3-3 UTG

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Posted 10 May 2005 - 07:09 AM

DKE_XP120 said:

Thats pretty close to how I would have played it, however I may have folded 3-3 UTG
hero was UTG+2 in this case though...still folding?

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Posted 10 May 2005 - 07:32 AM

DKE_XP120 said:

Thats pretty close to how I would have played it, however I may have folded 3-3 UTG
i was recently told by someone i trust that if i cant limp early with low pairs i have poor table selection
i saw him at the riverbank. he was breaking bread and giving thanks. with crosses made of pipes and planks. leaned up against the nitrous tanks.
he said take a hit. hold your breath and i'll dunk your head. then when you wake up, you'll be high as hell and born again.

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Posted 10 May 2005 - 09:11 AM

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DKE_XP120 said:

Thats pretty close to how I would have played it, however I may have folded 3-3 UTG
i was recently told by someone i trust that if i cant limp early with low pairs i have poor table selection
That's what Sklansky would say

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Posted 10 May 2005 - 09:30 AM

looks like you need to be introduced to a sweet set line. its the stop n go set line. you hit a set on the flop like this so bet it out. Get raised, and just call. now bet the turn again, get raised, now rereaise, its sweet and fun. Try it hte next time you hit aset and have an aggressive opponeent behind you
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Posted 10 May 2005 - 09:32 AM

KDawgCometh said:

looks like you need to be introduced to a sweet set line. its the stop n go set line. you hit a set on the flop like this so bet it out. Get raised, and just call. now bet the turn again, get raised, now rereaise, its sweet and fun. Try it hte next time you hit  aset and have an aggressive opponeent behind you
Whoops. Looks like I've got the wrong terminology. What's it called when you c/c the flop and then c/r the turn?

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Posted 10 May 2005 - 09:37 AM

Briguy said:

KDawgCometh said:

looks like you need to be introduced to a sweet set line. its the stop n go set line. you hit a set on the flop like this so bet it out. Get raised, and just call. now bet the turn again, get raised, now rereaise, its sweet and fun. Try it hte next time you hit  aset and have an aggressive opponeent behind you
Whoops. Looks like I've got the wrong terminology. What's it called when you c/c the flop and then c/r the turn?
uhh, check calling the flop, CRing the turn. you aren't puylling a stop n go, like the line I said. I dunno, fired fish set line? :D
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Posted 10 May 2005 - 09:38 AM

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DKE_XP120 said:

Thats pretty close to how I would have played it, however I may have folded 3-3 UTG
hero was UTG+2 in this case though...still folding?
At a tight table, probably. For example, here the Hero comes out ahead by 5.25 BBs. That's not a good deal in the long run when you're tossing a BB in preflop on an 8-1ish shot; granted other times you'll scoop more when the PF raiser has an overpair, but it's still likely hovering around the break-even point at best. Over the long term you need more money in the pot to play little pockets, and the easiest way to do that is to play 'em to lots of callers, and toss 'em when the table's tight and you're in early position.

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Posted 10 May 2005 - 10:13 AM

Alot of times when I flop a set, I bet it out on the flop, get raised, and just call. Check raise it on the turn and bet it on the river. A lot of people wont raise you back on the turn if you bet out so it all really depends on your read of the villian about how much you can extract from him.




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