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[Vade]

Nah, just limp preflop. If you were on the CO or button, I might lean towards the raise.Yeah, I think you should raise the turn and call a 3 bet. You did cap the flop, and you still have hellalotta outs

[custom36]

You played it well.

[custom36]

Zarathustra said:

Custom36 said:

You played it well.

I know I played it well, I'm looking for feedback if I could have played it better. Also, what other people think about the different options preflop and on the turn.Zara

Oh, sorry. I think you played it the best way you could. Personally, I would have raised the turn, but I think just calling is probably the safest way to go.

[wrto4556]

raise that ace preflop!

[JaysonWeber]

Call pre-flop and Raise the turn.How did you get 18 outs?

[Vade]

I count 18 1/2 actually9 for the hearts, 8 for the OESD, and 1.5 for the Ace (1/2 of course)

[JaysonWeber]

Vade said:

I count 18 1/2 actually9 for the hearts, 8 for the OESD, and 1.5 for the Ace (1/2 of course)

Is there a method for dropping a few outs based on # of people in the pot though?

[wrto4556]

Raising the turn is horrible.Jayson, you got it backwards. Raise preflop, call the turn.

[JaysonWeber]

too be honest Didn't really read it too indepth.The only thing I looked at was his # of outs. You shouldn't count 3 aces here, 1.5 outs for the aces.I thought he was in early position, I read Vades "If you were in CO or BUtton" So Figured him for UTG to MP... So yes I was assbackwards with the entire hand lol, Now that I know you're late position, If the games this loose raise it with A-8 with this many limpers... I think next time I'll read entire OP Post :slam:

[avsfan]

The game is 2/4 Limit HE, 10 handed. The table is generally loose and passive. Lots of crazy hands seeing a showdown but no maniacs at the table. Zara is CO+1 and is dealt A 8 2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Zara calls, CO calls, 2 folds, BB checks Wonderful play especially since you said loose and passive players. You want four or more callers. Imho. No need to discourage them.I limp preflop hoping to get a good flop to continue. With this many limpers, and being in late position is this a reasonable spot to raise? Normally, I would only raise with A8s if either I'm the first in here or if I'm on the button. Its also good to raise any time you will get four or more callers. Imho.Pot = 10.5SB, 5 handed Flop: 6 9 7 BB bets, 2 folds, Zara raises, CO calls, BB 3-bets, Zara caps, CO calls This is an amazing flop for me. I have an OESD, nut flush draw and 1 overcard for a total of 18 possible outs. I'm a favorite versus anything except a set and even then I'm only a 3 to 2 dog. There's no way I'm not putting in every bet I can here. The BB is an ok player that usually doesn't overplay hands majorly though he tends to overvalue certain hands. The CO is very loose and very passive. He will call to the river chasing almost anything and only folds then if he doesn't improve. After the BB 3-bets I start to wonder if he has a set afterall and will proceed very carefully if the board pairs. Oh yes go to town!Pot=11BB, 3 handed Turn: J BB bets, Zara calls, CO calls At this point I'm reasonably sure that the BB has a set. In retrospect, it's possible he made a weird straight or two pair, but for some reason those never occurred to me at the time though they're very possible. My question is should I raise here? One reason I didn't was to keep the CO in the hand as I wasn't worried about him beating me if I improved and I wanted the overcall which I didn't think I would get if I raised. I also stand a very real chance of getting 3-bet which I don't want to happen. I still have a large number of outs, with somewhere between 9 outs and 18 depending upon what I'm up against. Based on the action I don't think enough of these are live to warrant a raise since it's very likely to knock out the CO and get me 3-bet.I love going for the overcall here.Pot=14BB, 3 handed River: 5 BB bets, Zara raises, CO folds, BB 3-bets, Zara caps, BB calls I hit the nuts on the river and the BB is nice enough to cap it with me. I was surprised to find out what the BB hand, and I'm wondering what you all think he has based on this action. The main questions I have are if I should have raised preflop and if I should have raised on the turn. yahooo!If you want to raise them preflop it is ok with loose passive players. If you get more than four then weeeee! If not they are loose and passive players. .Imho.As general rule two players limping early is a good sign of possible looming volume pot. especially if you join in midway through. Imho If you want to go for the turn raise You are allmost breaking even or better on the three bet. So it is doable. Imho. I think the overcall turn play is the should and the raise is the prime variant. IMHOWas the hand a under flush?

[avsfan]

if its 10 8 or 999.

[RISEorFall]

i see an arguement for raising the turn in that if CO has AK or AQ you clean up your Ace outs. But if you think the main agressor has a set then the A's aren't good anyway. I think there's more profit in calling to keep more people in if you hit the river tho. Just a thought for raising the turn.