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#1 wrto4556

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Posted 09 May 2005 - 09:18 PM

UTG is loose/passive.CO is semi-loose/aggressive...he's pretty tricky.10/20 at superior pokerI get delt A :D 4 :) in MP2.UTG limps, I limp, CO raises, UTG calls, I call.Flop is 6 :D 2 :) 7 :club: UTG checks, I check, CO bets, UTG folds, I call.Turn is 5 :club: I check, CO bets, I call.River is 8 :club: ...bet or check/raise?
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Posted 09 May 2005 - 09:22 PM

PS. Anyone not like the limp preflop?
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Posted 09 May 2005 - 09:27 PM

how passive all the way
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Posted 09 May 2005 - 09:32 PM

Yeah, it's not like you to not check-raise the flop.Bet the river :D
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Posted 09 May 2005 - 09:38 PM

why would I check raise this flop?
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Posted 09 May 2005 - 09:41 PM

wrto4556 said:

why would I check raise this flop?
You don't. I'd check/raise if UTG stayed in, but flop call is fine I think.10/20 eh? Move up? I think that you've pretty much set this up for a check/raise all the way by playing this passively so might as well go for it. That is unless you feel that this guy isn't loose enough to bet a pair on a 4-card straight board.

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Posted 09 May 2005 - 09:41 PM

actually, it might be a good idea.
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Posted 09 May 2005 - 09:41 PM

To avoid being passive? It looks like a calling station playing it this way no?
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Posted 09 May 2005 - 09:42 PM

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To avoid being passive? It looks like a calling station playing it this way no?
That shouldn't matter. It's whatever is the best play...that's goofy.
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Posted 09 May 2005 - 09:52 PM

yeah C/Ring the flop is best if UTG calls.
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Posted 09 May 2005 - 10:07 PM

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wrto4556 said:

why would I check raise this flop?
You don't. I'd check/raise if UTG stayed in, but flop call is fine I think.10/20 eh? Move up? I think that you've pretty much set this up for a check/raise all the way by playing this passively so might as well go for it. That is unless you feel that this guy isn't loose enough to bet a pair on a 4-card straight board.
My normal game is anywhere from 2/4 to 3/6. I was just taking a shot at 10/20. I dropped $140 and cam back to my senses.Wouldn't a c/r be good if we could get AK to fold the turn UI?EDIT: Normal game=2/4 to 5/10
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Posted 09 May 2005 - 10:54 PM

I don't understand why you didn't check/raise the river. Playing scared maybe?Preflop, the limp is fine. You're hoping to get a multiway pot going, the CO just ruined that plan for you.I like the check/call on the flop as HU you don't want to raise and there is no way you can trap UTG for a bet by leading.What about a check/raise on the turn as a reasonable semibluff? An UI AX would be hard pressed to call both on the turn and UI on the river if you follow through with a blank. Even if you can't get out a hand like that you have at least 15 outs to improve to a straight or a flush that should win. You may have 3 more outs with an A vs. an overpair, or 3 more outs with a 4 vs UI AX. The only real problem is if you get 3-bet, but once again you have a lot of outs even if this happens.Zara

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Posted 10 May 2005 - 12:07 AM

Bet the river, there's 4 to a straight out there. Even if he does for some reason bet after you check without the straight, I don't see him calling your raise without it so you still only get 1 big bet out of it. There's definately alot better chance that he calls if you bet out there. You got the straight, get some value out of it so that he doesn't check behind you.

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Posted 10 May 2005 - 12:13 AM

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Bet the river, there's 4 to a straight out there. Even if you does for some reason bet after you check without the straight, I don't see him calling your raise without it so you still only get 1 big bet out of it. There's definately alot better chance that he calls if you bet out there. You got the straight, get some value out of it so that he doesn't check behind you.
Good point, but I think it's quite possible the other guy has something like an UI AK or KQ is making one last effort to steal the pot. He won't check there. I think you'll catch the player bluffing more often than making a crying call (especially since this is 10/20 so the ability levels are generally much higher)Zara

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Posted 10 May 2005 - 09:19 AM

gaybet his ass. I'd be willing to cr the flop to
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Posted 10 May 2005 - 09:19 AM

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gaybet his ass. I'd be willing to cr the flop to
whoo someone agrees with me :D
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