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[jmbreslin]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP3 (t1369)
CO (t2680)
Button (t2150)
SB (t2347)
BB (t1310)
UTG (t872)
UTG+1 (t5130)
Hero (t1190)
MP2 (t1335)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9, 9.
2 folds, Hero ???

Play in these tends to be very loose passive, as you might expect. Lots of limping but when people raise they often just push rather than sizing their raises. Loose calls early are also very common.

[HighwayStar]

I shove here, peprfect stack sizes to shove at

Although if this is the tournament I'm thinking it is, people don't care about their stack.

Regardless I still shove

[BertTheKid]

lol, love your quote =D

[BeaverStyle]

With your stack, I don't see how this can be anything but a shove.

[AimHigher]

[potatoman]

With your stack, I don't see how this can be anything but a shove.

[jmbreslin]

My reluctance to shove is based on the following:
1) stack is slightly higher than 10BB
2) position is bad
3) loose calling means more overcard combos are likely to call, which means greater chance of finding myself in a race situation (though slightly ahead)
4) blinds aren't worth a whole lot if everyone folds
5) the play in these is so bad that I might be better off waiting for better spots

Just wondering if there are any alternatives to pushing here, such as making a smallish raise and then pushing the flop.

[HighwayStar]

Don't play tricky
It leads to mess
Shove!

[Berwatchey]

min raise and bet just over half the pot on the flop no matter what hits. if you get 3 or less callers.

most bad players will call a shove when the blind gets high, but bad players suck(go figure). and have a much harder time playing post flop and will fold when they miss or dont hit big(players miss more than they hit). abuse this and get as many hands to flop as you can get. all you have to do to get them to run away is show a few top pairs and they will remember that.

for a poor player its relatively easy to snap off a call with 9 10 or k q and just get lucky and win. but when that same hand airs the flop they fold like little girls(unless they have a gutshot cause then they have outs...). the way i see it, when you are a really good player, you want to avoid getting it all in preflop in a coin flip with a worse player whenever possible, because you can out play them post flop and getting it all in gets rid of your edge.

[AimHigher]

My reluctance to shove is based on the following:
1) stack is slightly higher than 10BB
2) position is bad
3) loose calling means more overcard combos are likely to call, which means greater chance of finding myself in a race situation (though slightly ahead)
4) blinds aren't worth a whole lot if everyone folds
5) the play in these is so bad that I might be better off waiting for better spots

Just wondering if there are any alternatives to pushing here, such as making a smallish raise and then pushing the flop.

Being around 12 BBs can still leave some awkward stack sizes on the flop and it's perfectly fine to shove it in with 12 BBs instead of trying to play this hand out of position and shortstacked. Loose calls means your hand has more equity against their calling range and at this point you're really not trying to steal the blinds, you're just trying to get it in with a reasonable hand and double up or bust out.

[Cappy37]

My reluctance to shove is based on the following:
1) stack is slightly higher than 10BB
2) position is bad
3) loose calling means more overcard combos are likely to call, which means greater chance of finding myself in a race situation (though slightly ahead)
4) blinds aren't worth a whole lot if everyone folds
5) the play in these is so bad that I might be better off waiting for better spots

Just wondering if there are any alternatives to pushing here, such as making a smallish raise and then pushing the flop.

No other option allows you to get paid *in full* when you hold the best hand. You likely only want one caller, but that is out of your control. Another advantage to 99: while you can run into a higher pair, you can *definitely* run into a lower pair.

2 callers could easily flip over a8 and 44 here. or A7 and A5, if they have Intellipoker icons.

[copernicus]

My reluctance to shove is based on the following:
1) stack is slightly higher than 10BB
2) position is bad
3) loose calling means more overcard combos are likely to call, which means greater chance of finding myself in a race situation (though slightly ahead)
4) blinds aren't worth a whole lot if everyone folds
5) the play in these is so bad that I might be better off waiting for better spots

Just wondering if there are any alternatives to pushing here, such as making a smallish raise and then pushing the flop.

1) this is a reason to shove. Stacks arent deep enough for post flop play, and you arent folding.
2) shoving makes position irrelevant
3) possibly well ahead if overs are counterfeited
4) blinds increase your stack by more than 10%, also 3 and 4 tend to cancel each other out
5) stacks are getting too short to wait

[jmbreslin]

Okay, shove it is. Just wanted to make sure there wasn't a more creative option I was missing.

How would you play it with a stack of, say, 1400? Standard raise?

[copernicus]

Id probably want more than that...1750 or so? The problem is that a standard raise at $1400 is still more than 20% of your stack and if called youve got problems with most overcard flops. What does Annette say?

Annette says at 11bb shove 88+, at 12-14 bb raise and call shove with 88+. So in the actual hand she says your borderline (how soon are the blinds increasing could be a deciding factor), at 14bb youre in her raising range.

[jmbreslin]

How about a standard raise with the intention of pulling a go-n-go if you get called by someone who has position on you? Raise to 300 with a call creates a pot of 750...nah, that would mean shoving about 1100 into a 750 pot. I hate medium pairs with difficult stack sizes...

[qyayqi]

if you want creative, make it 333 or 444. it encourages some shoves that you'll snap call. this works better with TT-AA in these micros, but i'll use it with 99 in a pinch.

[copernicus]

if you want creative, make it 333 or 444. it encourages some shoves that you'll snap call. this works better with TT-AA in these micros, but i'll use it with 99 in a pinch.

All bets like "333' or "444" do is tell other players that you dont have enough confidence to play the game without gimmicks. You cant do it live, they should program it out of online.

[AimHigher]

How about a standard raise with the intention of pulling a go-n-go if you get called by someone who has position on you? Raise to 300 with a call creates a pot of 750...nah, that would mean shoving about 1100 into a 750 pot. I hate medium pairs with difficult stack sizes...

This situation is exactly why the 10 BB rule exists. You have to shove here. Like cop said, if you were deeper you'd have room to maneuver, but here it is definitely shove or fold.

At 10 BBs you should be more desperate to get it all in than a stripper on Father's day.

[Sheiky]

All bets like "333' or "444" do is tell other players that you dont have enough confidence to play the game without gimmicks. You cant do it live, they should program it out of online.

GTFO!!! Gimmicky PF raises are the best!!!

[qyayqi]

All bets like "333' or "444" do is tell other players that you dont have enough confidence to play the game without gimmicks. You cant do it live, they should program it out of online.

you can't run pt/pev live, they should program it out of online. you can't instant message live, they should program it out of online. you can't move a slider to bet live, they should program it out of online.

nothing is black & white. if i can do something that i know will get a certain response, i'll do it. all that matters is that the chips slide toward me at the end of the hand.