simo_8ball 1 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Button in this hand is villain in the main hand:Stack sizes:Hero: $103.95CO: $60Button: $307.35SB: $58.20BB: $55.70Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with A 9 Hero raises to $1.75, CO raises to $6.5, Button raises to $12, 2 folds, Hero folds, CO calls.Flop: J Q 6 ($26.5, 2 players)CO checks, Button checks.Turn: A ($26.5, 2 players)CO bets $15, Button raises to $30, CO calls.River: 8 ($86.5, 2 players)CO checks, Button bets $18, CO calls all-in $18.Results:Final pot: $122.5Button showed Qc QdCO mucks Ad KdFull Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.506 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $351.65UTG+1: $84.80CO: $97.75Button: $51.85Hero: $106.10BB: $58.35Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with 4 5 UTG raises to $1.75, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, Button folds, Hero calls $1.5 (pot was $4.25), BB folds.Flop: 4 Q 4 ($5.75, 3 players)Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets $4.5, Hero raises to $15, UTG raises to $35, CO folds, Hero?UTG (villain) is 35/13/2.1/125, with f/t/r AFs of 0.9/2.6/11. CO is pretty new to the table.I would often lead the flop here, just playing a little different. Given that I'd c/r air here a fair amount I do need to c/r with a hand every now and then.How about if I had $56? How about if I had $156? Link to post Share on other sites
LJB723 0 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I'd assume CO had something like AQ/KQ/QJ. Only hands I could see him playing that way. Only problem is it makes QQ for our villain less likely. I doubt he (villain) plays KK/AA that way.I have to say, it looks so much like QQ. Both CO and yourself have shown supreme strength and then to c/rr he'd have to be holding a monster, and it isn't a better 4.As for the stack size question, I'd fold with $56 and $156 back. It seems like your beat and neither stack would have you completely priced in. Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 wowI honestly have no clue what to do. Folding seems so gross...but, being so deep, how does villain (with such a low postf af) NOT have queens full? Full Tilt hit the Doom Switch on you. Link to post Share on other sites
Solar 0 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 queens full is the only thing that makes real sense here.... i guessso sick with him having queens on the earlier hand though.. how far apart were they? Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted June 13, 2008 Author Share Posted June 13, 2008 so sick with him having queens on the earlier hand though.. how far apart were they?About 20 mins. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Flop: 4 Q 4 ($5.75, 3 players)Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets $4.5, Hero raises to $15, UTG raises to $35, CO folds, Hero?UTG (villain) is 35/13/2.1/125, with f/t/r AFs of 0.9/2.6/11. CO is pretty new to the table.I would often lead the flop here, just playing a little different. Given that I'd c/r air here a fair amount I do need to c/r with a hand every now and then.How about if I had $56? How about if I had $156?I think you can obv fold and look for A4 sooted in one of the villain's hands. I'd look for KK or AQ in another. Link to post Share on other sites
CBass1724 1 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Shove and spike the 5! I doubt he has a boat already but could very possibly have A4 soooted like mtdesmoines said. I'd probably shove praying he has AA or KK.Edit: I'm not so sure he'd raise A4 soooted here and is very possible for him to have an overpair. Maybe it's just me but I would probably flat call if I had QQ in this situation. We could easily be C/Ring with KQ or AQ here so his raise is saying he has that beat. I don't know, but I think we are far ahead here. Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 That's gross. I usually get up when I'm 200bbs deep, just because I'm not that confident in my very deep stack play. I doubt I'd fold, people do stupid stuff all the time, my problem is trying to extract more value. I think it's almost impossible to extract more value from worse hands. I'd probably call the flop and fold to a turn bet, even though that sounds pretty horrible. I just don't want to fold yet, I think he could have KK or AA here and we can get a river bet from him. Who knows though. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I think UTG can easily have AA/KK here and I woudln't plan on folding. If he's got QQ, I can't see him ever cold 3-betting this flop for any reason. Also, since he raised UTG, it's less likely that he has a 4 in his hand.Your raise also looks kind of big to be a 4 anyway on such a dry flop, so I don't think he's making his raise with a huge fear that you do have a 4 in your hand. I would just flat the flop and get it in on the turn. It would suck if he's got a 4 also, but unless it's A4, you'd just wind up chopping the vast majority of the time since the hands with a 4 in it are usually like 34, 45, 46 etc and with the big overcard on the board, it's unlikely your kicker would wind up playing. Link to post Share on other sites
potatoman 0 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I think UTG can easily have AA/KK here and I woudln't plan on folding. If he's got QQ, I can't see him ever cold 3-betting this flop for any reason. Also, since he raised UTG, it's less likely that he has a 4 in his hand.Your raise also looks kind of big to be a 4 anyway on such a dry flop, so I don't think he's making his raise with a huge fear that you do have a 4 in your hand. I would just flat the flop and get it in on the turn. It would suck if he's got a 4 also, but unless it's A4, you'd just wind up chopping the vast majority of the time since the hands with a 4 in it are usually like 34, 45, 46 etc and with the big overcard on the board, it's unlikely your kicker would wind up playing.^^^^This looks goodI'm not good enough to fold. It's going in. Link to post Share on other sites
gobears 0 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Has villain ever min-raised with jack? I would think that A4/QQ would flat here to invite CO to call also and then wait for your bet on the turn to start jacking up the pot. Why would he give you a reason to fold especially since you saw him min-raise with a monster a few orbits earlier?I like the idea of flatting and then CRAI on the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted June 13, 2008 Author Share Posted June 13, 2008 I was going off two things: People sat with >7 buyins usually aren't idiots, and I've already seen him slowplay top set.My range for checkraising this flop is about as polarised as a range can be. Either I have air or I have trips. I have air a fair amount, actually, but considering the other player could have trips as well if he's reraising with AA here he should reraise with 72o as well. It has exactly the same effect. I just can't understand anyone ever cold 3-betting a worse hand for value. It just makes no sense to me, and I generally expect people to get passive when they are unsure of a decision.This just screamed QQ to me.Oh, and I had 56. And for some reason he showed AQ. So, basically, I got owned. I do think I would have folded 45 though./shrug Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I would never fold trips as this plays out. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted June 13, 2008 Author Share Posted June 13, 2008 I would never fold trips as this plays out.I knew he wasn't bluffing, and I just didn't think it was possible for him to be genuinely bad enough to value 3-bet AA there cold, let alone AQ.I was obviously very wrong. I really think that there are many players would do that with QQ and QQ alone though. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 Fold pre-flop please.As played, I like what Acid said. Link to post Share on other sites
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