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[JaysonWeber]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converterIts early in a tournament.... 1,000 left blinds are 15/30MP1 (t2785)MP2 (t4885)MP3 (t1155)CO (t1835)Button (t1570)Hero (t1730)BB (t1895)UTG (t1340)UTG+1 (t1210)Preflop: Hero is SB with [Kh], [Ac]. 2 folds.I never re-raise with AK in this position I think its -EV.Flop: (t390) [7h], [5c], [As] (4 players)Hero checks, MP1 bets t150, MP1 folds, CO calls t300.Good Re-Raise? Re-Raise a different amount? Smooth Call?I thought this was a good re-raise, althought there is no striaght or flush draw realisitically, I'm scared of someone hitting 2 pair on there aces.Turn: (t1440) [6s] (2 players)Hero bets t300, CO calls t300.How's this bet?River: (t2040) [8d] (2 players)Hero bets t890 (All-In), CO calls t890.Pushed him All-in Here, Figure the pots worth it and he's put 1k in, with 900 left I think he'll probobly call this even if I have him beat.Final Pot: t3820

[RonBurgundy]

i would prefer a bet on the flop, and the amount you raise maybe should be even a little higher if you're gonna c/r. and the turn bet is WAY too small in relation to the pot. might as well push there instead of on the river, as you're giving OESD the right price to call there.

[waldo]

i like the play but i probably would have bet more on the turn, but it all got in the middle anyway so it doesnt really matter

[cdddc75]

Not sure I like a check raise with TPTK in first position. Might be better to just led out aggressively and shut the hand down right away. The amount of the check/raise seemed to be right, since it got you heads up.The turn bet is awful, IMO. Given the size of the pot to the size of the stacks, the only way to price out the flush and straight draws is to push in on the turn. Either push while you're still ahead or pull a stop and go if the river is a blank.

[cdddc75]

waldo said:

i like the play but i probably would have bet more on the turn, but it all got in the middle anyway so it doesnt really matter

The turn bet is the key part of this hand. With three to a straight and two to a flush, only a push is going to chase the draws away.

[Jordan]

JaysonWeber said:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converterIts early in a tournament.... 1,000 left blinds are 15/30MP1 (t2785)MP2 (t4885)MP3 (t1155)CO (t1835)Button (t1570)Hero (t1730)BB (t1895)UTG (t1340)UTG+1 (t1210)Preflop: Hero is SB with [Kh], [Ac]. 2 folds.I never re-raise with AK in this position I think its -EV.Flop: (t390) [7h], [5c], [As] (4 players)Hero checks, MP1 bets t150, MP1 folds, CO calls t300.Good Re-Raise? Re-Raise a different amount? Smooth Call?I thought this was a good re-raise, althought there is no striaght or flush draw realisitically, I'm scared of someone hitting 2 pair on there aces.Turn: (t1440) [6s] (2 players)Hero bets t300, CO calls t300.How's this bet?River: (t2040) [8d] (2 players)Hero bets t890 (All-In), CO calls t890.Pushed him All-in Here, Figure the pots worth it and he's put 1k in, with 900 left I think he'll probobly call this even if I have him beat.Final Pot: t3820

Turn you need to bet more. You bet less than the amount you raised on the flop? If I was in that pot against you I would have re-raised your turn bet knowing (90%) that you would be folding.I don´t really like the river bet. And the fact that you said, ¨he´ll probably call this even if I have him beat¨can easily be changed to, he´ll probably call this if he has me beat.Preflop I also would have put in a small re-raise, probably make it 290 straight. If he pushes, or re-raises a substantial amount, I´d drop it. I think you played it weak and need to get more money in on the turn. On the other hand, just calling from the SB w/ AK is deceptive, but against 3 opponents you need to be careful how deceptive you get.I really don´t like the river bet unless he is paying you off with AQ. However, how he played it, I wouldn´t doubt he had a set (or couldn´t fold AQ). Of course it´s possible you did the betting for him on the river with his straight.If he calls you down here with KK or QQ he is dumb and this probably would never be posted (also unlikely he had KK due to preflop action), thus I think he had a set, or maybe walked into a straight with 99 (AQ a probability).- Jordan

[JaysonWeber]

I posted this hand because of the turn bet, I did it and thought what the hell? But I know the Flop was debatle as well.

jordan said:

I don´t really like the river bet. And the fact that you said, ¨he´ll probably call this even if I have him beat¨can easily be changed to, he´ll probably call this if he has me beat.

I know that, but by this time this early in the tournament I'm pot commited to call an all-in. So If im willing to call the all-in with a marginal hand like TPTK, I mine as well push right? Thats just my opinion on that part of the hand.

[cdddc75]

What I think would about your hand if I were CO...Preflop: Must be something decent to call 2.5x BB. Who knows for sure though?Flop: That check/raising bastard! He must have a big ace! Maybe you have two pair or a set, but the check/raise of that amount says I HAVE A BIG ACE!Turn: That 6s scared him a little. He must not have two pair or a set, he would push me in right now.River: I filled my straight, I'll gladly take your chips. Jayson...what would he have possibly called your river bet with that you could beat? AQ is about the only hand I can guess. Way too many hands have beaten you by this point.

[cdddc75]

JaysonWeber said:

I know that, but by this time this early in the tournament I'm pot commited to call an all-in. So If im willing to call the all-in with a marginal hand like TPTK, I mine as well push right? Thats just my opinion on that part of the hand.

With nearly 30x BB left, you're anything but pot committed after the turn. If you felt that way when the turn card hit, you definitely should have pushed then. That turn card was pivotal. You still had the lead (I assume), but suddenly several more hands that could beat you started to draw live.

[Jordan]

JaysonWeber said:

I posted this hand because of the turn bet, I did it and thought what the hell? But I know the Flop was debatle as well.

jordan said:

I don´t really like the river bet. And the fact that you said, ¨he´ll probably call this even if I have him beat¨can easily be changed to, he´ll probably call this if he has me beat.

I know that, but by this time this early in the tournament I'm pot commited to call an all-in. So If im willing to call the all-in with a marginal hand like TPTK, I mine as well push right? Thats just my opinion on that part of the hand.

That´s understandable of course. I mean, if you are going to call all in, go ahead and bet it. However, what if you bet say, 600 on the turn or 700 and he pushes then? You´d be committed there as well, so if anything, you need to check/fold that turn, or push in. With that weak bet on the turn what did you learn? I didn´t learn anything...the Villian could have anything, and I´m still curious as to what he has. There are so many hands he could have called you down with on the Turn bet that it really is hard to guess what the guy had. If you push on the turn and he calls you with a set or two pair, that´s just a bummer. But I´d rather push on the turn than only make a bet that gives me very little info and then decide on the river to push, even though I know I´m calling all in anyways. I think you push the turn or you fold the turn and that depends on your read on the hand.I´d rather get the money in on the turn though than that river card.- Jordan

[cdddc75]

Jordan said:

That´s understandable of course. I mean, if you are going to call all in, go ahead and bet it. However, what if you bet say, 600 on the turn or 700 and he pushes then? You´d be committed there as well, so if anything, you need to check/fold that turn, or push in. With that weak bet on the turn what did you learn? I didn´t learn anything...the Villian could have anything, and I´m still curious as to what he has.- Jordan

Exactly. I'd call a small bet on the turn (200 or less), but not much more than that. Considering you just check/raised the flop, you probably get a check behind you and a free look at the river. Pushing here is tough. You're probably ahead more often than not, but you could be drawing very slim (reverse domination) or absolutely dead.

[wrto4556]

Everything looks good...but I got a question on the turn.How aggressive is this guy?

[Jordan]

What did he have Jayson?Please tell me AQ, cause I think that would be the only had realistically you could beat. - Jordan

[Rock Crawler]

Since you didn't raise pre-flop CO might not be giving you credit for big slick. I think your giving up too much by never raising pre-flop with this.Your turn bet is too small, giving him better than 5-1 on his call, not to mention the implied odds that he might get your remaining 890 if he is behind and makes his hand.Knowing the buy in for this might help, maybe I missed that, but if it is a low limit then you might be ok. If the buy-in was over $30 I think your beat by a set. CO put you on the Ace and let you do all the betting.my .02

[HoosierAlum]

Jayson,Here is what truly scares me about this hand. The CO smooth called the raise pre-flop, then he smooth called the original raisers bet post flop, and then he again just called your fairly large check-raise after the flop. What does this tell me? Either he is extremely passive and is going to look you up with a weaker ace, or he has a set or 2 pair and youre finished. Since this guy was a calling station the entire hand, it was nearly impossible to have a very good idea what he had. Here is how I would have played it.Late in the tournament I would definitely re-raise in this spot with AK. However, it is still early, and I like to see flops early on in MTTS. I would have just called here as well, but I would have definitely led out on the flop. It gives you so much more information. Lead out with a bet about half the size of the pot to make it look like you have a weak ace, and see what happens. If you only get calls, bet out a pot sized amount on the turn. If you get raised by the Original raiser, most likely he has AQ or AJ, and you can then push back. If you get raised by the guy in the CO, maybe you should be more careful then and watch for a set.But, since you check-raised, I think the amount was fine on the flop. I agree with what most everyone else has said; you have to bet more on the turn. With this check-raise, you are pretty much going all-in on the turn or check/folding. Since you obviously thought you had the best hand, you have to lead out and bet the pot, which essentially puts you all in. My guess is that the guy in the CO flopped a set of 7s. Either that or he called a decent sized pre-flop raise with Ax and hit 2 pair.