LJB723 0 Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 I'm completely new to PLO, but I thought I'd wet my beak a little. Loaded $25, playing 'til I go broke just to get a feel for the game. If anyone is keen to help I could email my entire HH from the session. So onto the hand, is it really terrible? From preflop and beyond...CryptologicPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.15/$0.254 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $25.25Button: $24.83SB: $35.62Hero: $21.75Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with Q J Q J UTG raises to $1.15, 2 folds, Hero calls.Flop: 3 7 7 ($2.45, 2 players)Hero checks, UTG checks.Turn: K ($2.45, 2 players)Hero checks, UTG bets $1.5, Hero calls.River: 2 ($5.45, 2 players)Hero bets $4, Link to post Share on other sites
BudBundy 0 Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 It is not that -ev. He is probably folding if he doesn't have the flush or KK.3-bet that hand pf. Link to post Share on other sites
BigLebowski 0 Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 I can't tell you how many times I have been called by 9 high flushes in this spot. You're money would have been better spent on reraising pf and potting the flop imo. Link to post Share on other sites
dingas 0 Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 I don't like the way you played this hand. I don't think he is folding on the river any hand that beats you, and he is never calling with anything that you beat. For this reason, check-calling is better than betting. If you want to turn your hand into a bluff, then you can check-raise the turn or just lead out on the flop and turn. Link to post Share on other sites
BudBundy 0 Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 This is definitely not a check call.It is either check/fold or bet/fold and i lean towards betting.We don't have much of a showdown value so we aren't really turning this hand into a bluff , it is already a bluff. And while betting , we are bluffing not value betting so we don't aim to get called by worse hands. We aim to make better hands like AAxx , Kxxx and occasionally a small flush fold. Also by checking , we give him the opportunity to bluff us.Even if you get called , it is good for your table image. People rarely remember pot sizes , they will just remember that you bluffed. This will work in your favour when you value bet your hands on river in bigger pots. Link to post Share on other sites
dingas 0 Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Given the action, I doubt villain is ever folding a flush here. He might fold AAxx or Kxxx, but given hero's line, I think you get called by these hands too quite often. The majority of the time that this "bluff" works we have the best hand anyway. I guess it's read-dependent, but I think check-fold and check-call are both superior to betting. Also betting could set us up for getting bluff-raised expensively if villain is creative (unlikely at this level, but not impossible).But this hand was seriously misplayed even before the river. For example, why did hero check-call the turn? Link to post Share on other sites
LJB723 0 Posted June 9, 2008 Author Share Posted June 9, 2008 Given the action, I doubt villain is ever folding a flush here. He might fold AAxx or Kxxx, but given hero's line, I think you get called by these hands too quite often. The majority of the time that this "bluff" works we have the best hand anyway. I guess it's read-dependent, but I think check-fold and check-call are both superior to betting. Also betting could set us up for getting bluff-raised expensively if villain is creative (unlikely at this level, but not impossible).But this hand was seriously misplayed even before the river. For example, why did hero check-call the turn? To bluff the river :)I'm sure I made errors galore in this hand. Which is why I posted it, to learn. As it says I'm new to omaha. A c/c on the turn can quite easily be taken as draw and I made a bet that looked like I'd hit my flush and wanted paid. I thought it made sense.Preflop. In HE I'd re-raise QQ or JJ all the time. But in a game I'm unfamiliar with I took a passive route. I think I only re-raised with AAxx and maybe once with KKxx Link to post Share on other sites
Merby 3 Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 3-bet that hand pf. Preflop. In HE I'd re-raise QQ or JJ all the time. But in a game I'm unfamiliar with I took a passive route. I think I only re-raised with AAxx and maybe once with KKxxYou become very easy to play against if you only ever 3-bet AAxx. Open up more and 3-bet hands like QQJJ and 789T. Link to post Share on other sites
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