13 replies to this topic

[Metternich]

I've seen this guy donk lead a pot sized bet at least once before, maybe twice. Never seen him show down with it, standard fold right?
Sorry that this is a little low content, just steaming from some other hands which may be posted.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP3 ($11.25)
Hero ($10.60)
Button ($7.65)
SB ($7.90)
BB ($12.50)
UTG ($14)
UTG+1 ($6.90)
MP1 ($7.05)
MP2 ($5.80)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9, A.
5 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, 1 fold, SB calls $0.30, BB calls $0.25.

Flop: ($1.05) A, 8, K (3 players)
SB bets $1.05, BB folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $1.05

[KingJames]

Why is this a standard fold? You have top piar and position...

You could call and see a turn and his action, or
You could raise and see what he does, but
I don't know why we fold

I'm sometimes a NL donk, but I don't lay this down to a single bet...

James

[Moneyball16]

Yeah I never fold here either. If your folding this you are letting him profitably donk this flop with ATC. Overcalling against a steal he could have a huge range here and we most likely have the best hand. Call here and try to get to showdown. I dont think there is any reason to raise either since our hand is very WA/WB and his line is often a bluff, in which case you want to give him some rope.

[Solar]

If you fold this to a bet on the flop you shouldnt have raised to start with. You're basically saying that a guy who donk bets flops holding an ace in this situation more than 2/3 of the time.

[NoBBiR]

OMG YOU FOLD TOP PAIR, WHAT THE ****?

[BertTheKid]

Personally, would just fold before the flop. Even if you're in late position, A9 offsuit gets me a lot of times in big trouble.

[NoBBiR]

Personally, would just fold before the flop. Even if you're in late position, A9 offsuit gets me a lot of times in big trouble.

If you're raising this preflop, and you've seen the guy do this before, and this flop comes, I don't know what you want to flop with A9 to play past the flop. A boat? You have to at least call here imo.

[Temporary Nuts]

Folding is correct here. These are usually players who have not learned to see any more than their own cards, and know they're supposed to bet when they pick up a decent hand, and completely ignore things such as who is the preflop raiser. Your hand is slightly worse than a decent hand, fold.

If you're raising this preflop, and you've seen the guy do this before, and this flop comes, I don't know what you want to flop with A9 to play past the flop. A boat? You have to at least call here imo.

When he strong donk bets into us mashing the pot, why would you call to peel for a three outer? You know he's going to mash the pot button every street.

You raise preflop bc often he will mis, and you'll pick up a ton when you c-bet because it will take down the pot a huge majority of the time against this guy.

I also almost 100% guarantee you this is the same type of player who only 3-bets JJ, QQ, KK, and AA preflop.

[mtdesmoines]

Personally, would just fold before the flop. Even if you're in late position, A9 offsuit gets me a lot of times in big trouble.

I think it's about the single worst hand in poker for precisely this reason in precisely this spot. We're going to have to stack off on the river with A9 because of our PF action.

[Temporary Nuts]

I think it's about the single worst hand in poker for precisely this reason in precisely this spot. We're going to have to stack off on the river with A9 because of our PF action.

Why? WTH do we expect him to hold that we beat? Someone give me a serious range, since there are 0 draws.

I mean... we're looking at what? K-J or K-10? A-7 or lower that even though we're ahead they suck out or split a huge amount of the time?

Versus how often we're peeling a 3 outer or drawing to runner runner...

Really, you can let go of top pair sometimes, it's cool.

[mtdesmoines]

Why? WTH do we expect him to hold that we beat? Someone give me a serious range, since there are 0 draws.
I mean... we're looking at what? K-J or K-10? A-7 or lower that even though we're ahead they suck out or split a huge amount of the time?
Versus how often we're peeling a 3 outer or drawing to runner runner...
Really, you can let go of top pair sometimes, it's cool.

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If you're raising this preflop, and you've seen the guy do this before, and this flop comes, I don't know what you want to flop with A9 to play past the flop. A boat? You have to at least call here imo.

I'm just making the same point. If we manage A9 this way PF, we can't be pushed off this flop very often and remain profitable. So if we're calling this flop, We're looking at $3+ pot going into the turn. The money's prob going in.

[NoBBiR]

Stats would make this a very easy decision. I'm willing to bet this guy is either a loose passive moron, or a nit. If he's a nit (11/6/1 or something), fold. If he's a loose passive moron (35/10/2), snapcall.

I really don't agree that we should fold TPDK everytime someone bets into us after we raise preflop, especially without a read. And since this guy has done this a few times before without showing down, I don't really give him respect for only hands like AJ+ and A8. Plus it's 10nl, people do this all the time with KJ because they think they are "testing the waters" for an Ace.

[Temporary Nuts]

Plus it's 10nl, people do this all the time with KJ because they think they are "testing the waters" for an Ace.

Maybe that's just an experience thing then... when people "test waters" when I've played 10NL it's usually half the pot or less...

[Dictius]

I think folding is way too exploitable. The guy will start donking into us a lot if we fold every time unless we have two pair+.

What's wrong with calling and using our position to reevaluate on the turn?
If he bets pot again we can probably fold.