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[dscoot]

What buyin in the turbo heads up games does the jump of player improvement increase the most?im having a hard time telling any difference btw the 6d buyin and the 11d buyin sofar on fulltilt.

[davezz5]

Well i'm a cash game player, but decided to play a sng a couple of days ago, first i've played in a long time. I dont think ive played against such a gang of donkeys in ages. It was a 5 seat $20, Although this was a regular sng.

[Canary3]

in my experience, the jump between 6 and 11 was very noticable. much more aggressive players at the 11 level.

[copernicus]

I dont play turbos but HU SnGs at Stars take a jump going from 50 to 100. Interestingly the $50 games seem to have gotten softer and closer to the $30s. There is way too much late street bluffing and way too little preflop/flop aggression. (Unfortunately yesterday I ran into two big river suckouts, arggghhhh).

[LJB723]

They don't. Look at this trumpet I just played. Every street is gold by him. Except the river; that's my bad...Game #7310522694: Heads Up £5 (ID7351352) £5+£0.25 - Hold'em NL (7/15) - 2008/06/03 - 01:03:23 (UK)Table "7351352 - 1" Seat 2 is the button. Seat 1: Xterminat (1545 in chips)Seat 2: LJB723 (1455 in chips)LJB723: posts small blind 7Xterminat: posts big blind 15----- HOLE CARDS -----dealt to LJB723 [Qd Qh]LJB723: raises to 45Xterminat: calls 30----- FLOP ----- [9c 5s 2h]Xterminat: bets 15LJB723: raises to 90Xterminat: calls 75----- TURN ----- [9c 5s 2h][6d]Xterminat: bets 15LJB723: raises to 300Xterminat: calls 285----- RIVER ----- [9c 5s 2h 6d][3h]Xterminat: checksLJB723: bets 600Xterminat: raises to 1110 and is all-inLJB723: is all-in 420Returned uncalled bets 90 to Xterminat----- SHOW DOWN -----Xterminat: shows [4c 6s] (A Straight, Six high)LJB723: shows [Qd Qh] (A Pair of Queens, Nine high)Xterminat collected 2910 from Main pot----- SUMMARY -----Total pot 2910 Main pot 2910 Rake 0Board [9c 5s 2h 6d 3h]Seat 1: Xterminat (big blind) showed [4c 6s] and won (2910) with A Straight, Six highSeat 2: LJB723 (small blind) showed [Qd Qh] and lost with A Pair of Queens, Nine high

[copernicus]

LJB723, on Monday, June 2nd, 2008, 5:17 PM, said:

They don't. Look at this trumpet I just played. Every street is gold by him. Except the river; that's my bad...Game #7310522694: Heads Up £5 (ID7351352) £5+£0.25 - Hold'em NL (7/15) - 2008/06/03 - 01:03:23 (UK)Table "7351352 - 1" Seat 2 is the button. Seat 1: Xterminat (1545 in chips)Seat 2: LJB723 (1455 in chips)LJB723: posts small blind 7Xterminat: posts big blind 15----- HOLE CARDS -----dealt to LJB723 [Qd Qh]LJB723: raises to 45Xterminat: calls 30----- FLOP ----- [9c 5s 2h]Xterminat: bets 15LJB723: raises to 90Xterminat: calls 75----- TURN ----- [9c 5s 2h][6d]Xterminat: bets 15LJB723: raises to 300Xterminat: calls 285----- RIVER ----- [9c 5s 2h 6d][3h]Xterminat: checksLJB723: bets 600Xterminat: raises to 1110 and is all-inLJB723: is all-in 420Returned uncalled bets 90 to Xterminat----- SHOW DOWN -----Xterminat: shows [4c 6s] (A Straight, Six high)LJB723: shows [Qd Qh] (A Pair of Queens, Nine high)Xterminat collected 2910 from Main pot----- SUMMARY -----Total pot 2910 Main pot 2910 Rake 0Board [9c 5s 2h 6d 3h]Seat 1: Xterminat (big blind) showed [4c 6s] and won (2910) with A Straight, Six highSeat 2: LJB723 (small blind) showed [Qd Qh] and lost with A Pair of Queens, Nine high

I would flat the turn. the board is extremely draw heavy and your QQ doesnt want to build a big pot. Then you can afford to call a reasonable river bet to a fill card or value bet a blank. Pot control with even stacks is more important than marginally charging a draw that might not even be there.

[LJB723]

copernicus, on Tuesday, June 3rd, 2008, 1:24 AM, said:

I would flat the turn. the board is extremely draw heavy and your QQ doesnt want to build a big pot. Then you can afford to call a reasonable river bet to a fill card or value bet a blank. Pot control with even stacks is more important than marginally charging a draw that might not even be there.

If you like I'll cross post this hand in the strat forum. But I really see no other way to play this. A draw should never be in his range here based on how strongly I've played my hand. I was really putting him on a good 9. Flatting his ultra weak lead (15 into ~285) seems terrible. I know I have the best hand so I'm betting it hard.

[KingCoons]

I dont play the turbos, but I play the 11 dollar HU's on stars. The play is so terrible that I wanted to jump to the $20's, but I just reeled off 23 straight wins--the sickest run of my life--so I can't make the jump until I lose, lol. It's just sad how so many people in essence just transfer money in these things.