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[brvheart]

So at the urging of BigMcGee I bumped Barton Fink to the top of my netflix queue and I have to say I really liked it. That being said, I really don't understand how it swept the awards at Cannes. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's amazing. Were Charlie and Barton the same person? Was the hotel hell? Or was it just the floor they lived on? (666) Maybe hell was just Charlie's room and Charlie was the devil. The President of the film company was really good. All the performances were really good. But I didn't think the story was even close to as good as The Hudsucker Proxy or No Country For Old Men, and Hudsucker didn't win anything at Cannes in 1994. Sure, it was up against Pulp Fiction for the Golden Palm, but I mean... COME ON! It didn't win anything! Last year, same thing for No Country.... no wins at Cannes. What do Europeans love about Barton Fink that they didn't understand about The Hudsucker Proxy or No Country For Old Men?

Does anyone else have any thoughts on Barton Fink?



Here are my list of Coen Brothers movies in the order that I love them....

1. No Country For Old Men
2. The Hudsucker Proxy
3. The Big Lebowski
4. Raising Arizona
5. Fargo
6. Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?
7. Barton Fink
8. The Man Who Wasn't There
9. The Lady Killers
10. Intolerable Cruelty

I just receiving Miller's Crossing today, and I'll be watching it for the first time tomorrow, so this list may change. I also haven't seen Blood Simple, but it's saved in my netflix queue.

[qyayqi]

i think you'll enjoy blood simple. that's all i've got, man. sorry.

[timwakefield]

This is probably the order that I love them, but so many of them are so good it's hard to choose.


1. The Big Lebowski
2. Fargo
3. Raising Arizona
4. Barton Fink
5. O Brother Where Art Thou?
6. No Country For Old Men (I should probably see this again)
7. Hudsucker Proxy (I am gonna watch this again)
8. Miller's Crossing
9. Blood Simple (you should see this, it is awesome)
10. The Man Who Wasn't There

[BigDMcGee]

Big Lebowski
No Country
Miller's Crossing
Hudsucker Proxy
Fargo
Barton Fink
Oh brother
Raising Arizona
The man that wasn't there
Lady Killers
Blood Simple
Intolerable Cruelty.




Intolerable Cruelty is a better movie than the best of what 90 percent of dirrectors have put out, btw. I think Big through Fargo are on another plane of good, and Barton through arizona are still really really good. the last four are good, but not mind blowingly good. I am really happy they put out "No country" because it has seemed like to me that they peaked at Fargo, and were trending downward.


Me and Brave disagree alot about movies, but we both agree Hudsucker is the most underrated movie of all time. It's outstanding..

[brvheart]

Anyone have any thoughts on Barton Fink? What was happening? What's the underlying story?

[lvpro]

Burn After Reading

Thoughts?

[Mercury69]

I ain't done nothin' funny, Ray

My favs:

No Country For Old Men
Blood Simple
Fargo
Miller's Crossing
Big Lebowski
Raising Arizona
Barton Fink

O Brother...

[Dirtydutch]

Fargo

Big Lebowski

No Country

Miller's Crossing

Barton Fink

O' Brother

Hudsucker Proxy

The Man that Wasn't There

Blood Simple

Raising Arizona

Lady Killers

Intolerable Cruelty

[brvheart]

Burn After Reading

Thoughts?

The cast is one in a million....

Brad Pitt

George Clooney

Tilda Swinton

John Malkovich

Frances McDormand

The "Sledge Hammer" dude (David Rasche)





The R rated trailer ... here.... makes it look totally awesome.

[Dirtydutch]

Burn After Reading

Thoughts?

'Bout it. I'll be there, erection in hand.

[pockets]

Miller's Crossing
Big Lebowski
No Country
Fargo
Barton Fink
Blood Simple
Oh Brother Where Art Thou
Raising Arizona
Hudsucker Proxy
The man that wasn't there
Intolerable Cruelty.

I never was a big fan of Hudsucker, and I never got around to seeing The Ladykillers.

[Pot Odds RAC]

I'll play:

1. Blood Simple
2. Fargo
3. Raising Arizona
4. Miller's Crossing
5. No Country
6. Barton Fink
7. Big Lebowski
8. The Man who Wasn't there
9. Oh Brother
10. Hudsucker
11. Intolerable Cruelty

Haven't seen Lady Killers

The Top Five are awesome Films. The next five were average. And Intolerable Cruelty was painful to watch. Clooney's two worst movies have been Coen efforts

I have never understood why they cast Jon Polito in so many of their movies - he always comes across as a cartoonish actor. Sort of a poor man's Danny DeVito

[brvheart]

I'll play:

1. Blood Simple
2. Fargo
3. Raising Arizona
4. Miller's Crossing
5. No Country
6. Barton Fink
7. Big Lebowski
8. The Man who Wasn't there
9. Oh Brother
10. Hudsucker
11. Intolerable Cruelty

Haven't seen Lady Killers

The Top Five are awesome Films. The next five were average. And Intolerable Cruelty was painful to watch. Clooney's two worst movies have been Coen efforts

I have never understood why they cast Jon Polito in so many of their movies - he always comes across as a cartoonish actor. Sort of a poor man's Danny DeVito

I obviously disagree with you on Hudsucker being so low, but to say that the Big Lebowski is just 'average' is ridiculous.

What do you think is an excellent comedy?

[Pot Odds RAC]

I obviously disagree with you on Hudsucker being so low, but to say that the Big Lebowski is just 'average' is ridiculous.

What do you think is an excellent comedy?

Well.

Just from the Coen list I'd say Raising Arizona and Fargo (I consider this to be dark comedy)

Also, in no particular order just off the top of my head...

Kung Fu Hustle
Blues Brothers
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
The Graduate
40 Year Old Virgin
King Pin
Princess Bride
Young Frankenstein
Spinal Tap
Lots of stuff from Woody Allen and more Mel Brooks
Monty Python stuff especially A Fish Called Wanda

[timwakefield]

Well.

Just from the Coen list I'd say Raising Arizona and Fargo (I consider this to be dark comedy)

Also, in no particular order just off the top of my head...

Kung Fu Hustle
Blues Brothers
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
The Graduate
40 Year Old Virgin
King Pin
Princess Bride
Young Frankenstein
Spinal Tap
Lots of stuff from Woody Allen and more Mel Brooks
Monty Python stuff especially A Fish Called Wanda

Comedy? It's a fantastic movie, but it's definitely not a comedy. Kudos though for mentioning the Blues Brothers.

[lvpro]

The cast is one in a million....

Brad Pitt

George Clooney

Tilda Swinton

John Malkovich

Frances McDormand

The "Sledge Hammer" dude (David Rasche)
The R rated trailer ... here.... makes it look totally awesome.

Ooh, I didn't know there was a trailer yet. I'll have to check that out when I get home.

[timwakefield]

Ooh, I didn't know there was a trailer yet. I'll have to check that out when I get home.

It looks very funny.

[BigDMcGee]

Well.

Just from the Coen list I'd say Raising Arizona and Fargo (I consider this to be dark comedy)

Also, in no particular order just off the top of my head...

Kung Fu Hustle LOL
Blues Brothers LOL
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid Interesting choice, not really a comedy
The Graduate Can't really argue with this, it becomes a matter of taste...
40 Year Old Virgin lol
King Pin lol
Princess Bride cute but LOL
Young Frankenstein funny movie, but no where close to the film that big and hud are
Spinal Tap apples and oranges
Lots of stuff from Woody Allen and more Mel Brooks annie hall and Manhattan are the only movies I'd even consider in the argument by these two
Monty Python stuff especially A Fish Called Wanda Monty python is hilarious, but Coen's make more ambitious and better films than the Monty Python. another apples and oranges really.

The one's I laughed at I don't think are worth comparing to the Big Lebowski and Hudsucker.
I would argue that Hudsucker and the Big Lebowski aren't pure comedys. While they do go for laughs ,they also aspire to be much more. King pin aspires to do nothing but make you laugh. Spinal Tap is brilliant in a whole other way, it was an amazing, ground breaking comedy, it's hard to compare them.


It's hard for me to even express why "The Hudsucker proxy" is so smart, funny, beautiful and brilliant. It just doesn't seem the same genre, the same zip code of movie that the 40 year old virgin is.

[brvheart]

The one's I laughed at I don't think are worth comparing to the Big Lebowski and Hudsucker.
I would argue that Hudsucker and the Big Lebowski aren't pure comedys. While they do go for laughs ,they also aspire to be much more. King pin aspires to do nothing but make you laugh. Spinal Tap is brilliant in a whole other way, it was an amazing, ground breaking comedy, it's hard to compare them.
It's hard for me to even express why "The Hudsucker proxy" is so smart, funny, beautiful and brilliant. It just doesn't seem the same genre, the same zip code of movie that the 40 year old virgin is.

I'm not even going to do a rundown like you did. I just can't believe that he thinks that "The Big Lewbowski" is comparable to an 85-99 IQ. I simply don't understand how anyone could think it was ... just average.

[Pot Odds RAC]

I'm not even going to do a rundown like you did. I just can't believe that he thinks that "The Big Lewbowski" is comparable to an 85-99 IQ. I simply don't understand how anyone could think it was ... just average.

Geez. Don't take it so personally - I don't like a movie you happen to love.

Lebowski just didn't do it for me. Guys pissing on the floor has never been real high on my comedy scale.

Always nice to see Julianne Moore neekid though.

As far as Hudsucker... I'm not much of a Tim Robbins fan. Liked him in "The Player" and seeing him get the crap beat out of him (even if just in a fantasy sequence) in "High Fidelity" was a high moment of cinema for me. I liked the "feel" of Hudsucker, reminded me a little of the movie "Brazil" for some reason.

I don't like Tim Burton movies either. They seem to be trying to be partly social commentary, part fantasy, and part off beat dark comedy, and just miss on each measure for me - that was how Hudsucker left me feeling.

...but hey lots of people seem to love Lebowski, not trying to talk you out of it, I just didn't dig the flick.