was i dumb?

[Rebecca 0]

Just wondering if I should have played it this way. i.e. leading betting when not feeling any resistance. Party Poker Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind t30 (9 handed) convertersaw flop|saw showdownButton (t620)SB (t445)BB (t993)UTG (t607)Hero (t745)MP1 (t530)MP2 (t475)MP3 (t1875)CO (t1710)Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with [8s], [7s]. UTG calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, UTG calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls.Flop: (14 SB, t420) [7d], [6c], [8h] (7 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, MP1 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.Turn: (10 BB, t600) [2c] (6 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls.River: (14 BB, t840) [8d] (4 players)BB checks, UTG folds, Hero bets, Hero calls.Final Pot: 22 BB (t1320)I don't normally call from this position with these cards, but so many people were limping in nearly every hand--guess I got the bug. Figured I could just dump it quick if board didn't look friendly. ( Table seemed to be a lot of calling to river with any pair, A any, etc.-)So was it brilliant to lead the bet, totally idiotic? or just ho hum?

[allinbluff35 0]

delete the results

[Rebecca 0]

delete the results

okay.

[wrto4556 0]

Fold preflop.Then on the river, ask the dealer if there is, in fact, a cap. You got the nuts.

[waldo 0]

i would have most likely folded preflop but i do like those suited connectors, i think you played the hand well after the flop though, you have to protect your hand from something like a 10, no free cards

[princeof56k 0]

Fold preflop.

wrto...Isnt it ok to limp in from an early position if the table is loose/passive enough pre-flop? Thats what the OP described. She said a ton of people were limping in early. Sure enough thats what happened.Usually at a loose table (where a lot of people limp in) I'll limp from anywhere with those suited connectors. Is that wong?

[wrto4556 0]

87s is just too vulnerable. You could argue T9s...

[DCWildcat 0]

I don't normally call from this position with these cards, but so many people were limping in nearly every hand--guess I got the bug. Figured I could just dump it quick if board didn't look friendly. ( Table seemed to be a lot of calling to river with any pair, A any, etc.-)So was it brilliant to lead the bet, totally idiotic? or just ho hum?

Normally I'd never call from early with that, but if the table is THAT loose passive, maybe...And leading on flop is good.

[KDawgCometh 2]

I like this hand, and here's why, its a limit tourny. If it was a cash game, then I'd hate it, but with it being a tourny this is a good place to possibly catch someone by surprise and hit a big hand, take down a big pot and get ahold of some very valuble chips. Implied odds are working big here because of the tourny factor too. In limit HE tournies you really need to amass a lot of chips and to consisitently put pressure on the other players by raising when the limits start to increaso a lot.

[Rebecca 0]

Thanks again guys. Given me some more things to think about. :-)

[Guest]

I like this hand, and here's why, its a limit tourny. If it was a cash game, then I'd hate it, but with it being a tourny this is a good place to possibly catch someone by surprise and hit a big hand, take down a big pot and get ahold of some very valuble chips. Implied odds are working big here because of the tourny factor too. In limit HE tournies you really need to amass a lot of chips and to consisitently put pressure on the other players by raising when the limits start to increaso a lot.

Keith points out a very important difference between ring game and tournament strategy here. There are times in tournaments where you're willing to take a slightly -EV play with the possibility of gaining a large number of chips. In a ring game, any -EV play is a bad idea and should be avoided. This seems like a great point to try this as any big hand 78s hits will be hard to beat and you'll be nearly guaranteed the pot.I personally hate straight limit HE tournies as the blinds almost always dwarf the stacks within about 20 minutes of play, but it shows how important it is to be able to push around other people. A small stack can't just push all-in for 5 BB and be able to see the river with their hand to see if they hit so they're less likely to try (and less successful at doubling up when they do).Zara

[Jordan 1]

87s is just too vulnerable. You could argue T9s...

Curious here with this statement.Straights 87s makes:456-78 ; nut56-78-9 nut78-9TJ ignorantStraights T9s makes:678-9T nut78-9T-J nut9T-JQK ignorantWouldn´t it be more dangerous to play 9Ts from EP than 87s considering that more people play face cards, thus the danger of running into a higher straight more often?Also, I would assume you will be more often dominated with the 9T than the 87. AT, KT, QT, JT. Whereas, less people play A8, K8, Q8, J8 types of hands.I´m just curious WRTO about your thinking here. You play much more limit than I, but I would like to hear your thoughts.- Jordan

[wrto4556 0]

High card strength is more important than drawing strength.T9 makes alot more TPs that hold up than 87s.

[Rebecca 0]

Someone requested that I show the results. Anyone wanna guess what the button had before I do that? (Except for allinbluff35, lol)

[cdddc75 0]

Button has wired power deuces.

[KDawgCometh 2]

High card strength is more important than drawing strength.T9 makes alot more TPs that hold up than 87s.

chris, this is tourny play though. That's why playing it here can work. THere are a finite number of chips in play. The possibility ofhitting a real big hand here is just too big, so with that possibility you can sometimes ake a flyer with this hand. Tournies you sometimes have to make a -ev play in EP but it can become a big pla under the right condiditons. Especially with this being a limit tourny, you need to amass a large amount of chips

[wrto4556 0]

I agree with the tourney statement...Didn't realize it was one of those organized what-nots.