AimHigher 0 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)UTG ($4.60)Hero ($12.80)CO ($5.50)Button ($5.20)SB ($5.85)BB ($11.25)Preflop: Hero is MP with T, T. UTG raises to $0.3, Hero calls $0.30, 4 folds.Flop: ($0.75) 7, 3, A(2 players)Final Pot: $0.75This guy is a little screwy. Earlier I raised 55 and he floated my flop bet OOP on an AAA board with J9. In another hand he also limped on my BB with 33 and potted the turn and river on a K 7 4 T A board. He's running at 64/17/2.0 and is totally spewy. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Wait, you're saying you sometimes DON'T 3-bet this?!?This is 100% a 3-bet. Against a 64/17 I'm 3-betting here to $1.3 and getting it in on any decent flop. Probably a fair amount of bad flops too.Against a TAG I'd be ok with flatting sometimes, although I'd still be reluctant. Link to post Share on other sites
AimHigher 0 Posted May 10, 2008 Author Share Posted May 10, 2008 Wait, you're saying you sometimes DON'T 3-bet this?!?This is 100% a 3-bet. Against a 64/17 I'm 3-betting here to $1.3 and getting it in on any decent flop. Probably a fair amount of bad flops too.Against a TAG I'd be ok with flatting sometimes, although I'd still be reluctant.I'm still a noob simo, you know that. Link to post Share on other sites
Dictius 0 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 I 3bet TT probably 90% of the time (including this time) Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Wait, you're saying you sometimes DON'T 3-bet this?!?This is 100% a 3-bet. Against a 64/17 I'm 3-betting here to $1.3 and getting it in on any decent flop. Probably a fair amount of bad flops too.Against a TAG I'd be ok with flatting sometimes, although I'd still be reluctant.I think 3betting a TAG here is probably not a good idea. I'm flatting TT/JJ vs a UTG TAG raise and I'll sometimes flat QQ as well (maybe like 30% of the time). What is a TAG raising and calling a 3bet UTG OOP that TT is significantly ahead of? His range would crush you. Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Against a tight opening range i think flatting is better here, but against a 61/17 half stack i think it's fine to 3-bet and try and get it in Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Lol, you HAVE to threebet 1010 against a 64/17. ALWAYS.Pokertracker > life. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 I think 3betting a TAG here is probably not a good idea. I'm flatting TT/JJ vs a UTG TAG raise and I'll sometimes flat QQ as well (maybe like 30% of the time).Pussy. What is a TAG raising and calling a 3bet UTG OOP that TT is significantly ahead of? His range would crush you.If you are villain with 99 or AQ you aren't loving life. You can't usually call the 3-bet with suited connectors or small pairs OOP, and hands like KJs suck ass.The only time you really like being 3-bet is when you have AK or JJ+ (and even with JJ you're probably in a fairly tough spot).It's unlikely our TT will be 4-bet bluffed, so we can easily fold to a 4-bet. (Don't get on to me about raising for info - we aren't. We are raising for value and to protect our hand.) Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Against a tight opening range i think flatting is better here, but against a 61/17 half stack i think it's fine to 3-bet and try and get it inAcctually i don't agree with this, 61/17 is still raising as many hands as a 22/17 so i don't see why that should change much Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Acctually i don't agree with this, 61/17 is still raising as many hands as a 22/17 so i don't see why that should change muchIt's the fact that a 61/17 will respond differently to a 3-bet. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Pussy. :)If you are villain with 99 or AQ you aren't loving life. You can't usually call the 3-bet with suited connectors or small pairs OOP, and hands like KJs suck ass.The only time you really like being 3-bet is when you have AK or JJ+ (and even with JJ you're probably in a fairly tough spot).It's unlikely our TT will be 4-bet bluffed, so we can easily fold to a 4-bet. (Don't get on to me about raising for info - we aren't. We are raising for value and to protect our hand.)^^Totally missed that he had a half stack. Link to post Share on other sites
AimHigher 0 Posted May 10, 2008 Author Share Posted May 10, 2008 In other words, flatting it is fine against someone with a PFR% of 5 and we should be 3-betting anyone running at like 10% or over. If we 3 bet and he shoves since he is half-stacked we are happily calling. Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 It's the fact that a 61/17 will respond differently to a 3-bet.Touche Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Probably want to 3-bet here against bad to average opponents and consider calling against better opponents. Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Probably want to 3-bet here against bad to average opponents and consider calling against better opponents.I agree. Link to post Share on other sites
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