Trip Queens Turned Full House On The River-value Bet Question.

[ricardob 0]

very loose table(5+ to the flop), usually not raised pre-flop, but some players became aggr after the flop.MP1 is the biggest calling machine I've seen(bought in for 18 dollars...had 7 when I left).I'm not sure if the flop cap is good here, but considering the game and the loose opponents felt right, was considering on slowing on the turn if a bllank came.The turn gave me the best hand and since he was reraising me so much I tought he had a set which made me happy.On the river that 7 scared me, because if indeed he a set of sevens he had me beat, so I called.Should I have raised? PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (10 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)Preflop: Hero is MP2 with , . 2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.Flop: (10.40 SB) , , (5 players)BB bets, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, Hero raises, Button folds, BB 3-bets, MP1 calls, Hero caps, BB calls, MP1 calls.Turn: (11.20 BB) (3 players)BB bets, MP1 folds, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls.River: (19.20 BB) (2 players)BB bets, Hero calls.Final Pot: 21.20 BB

[KoRnholio 2]

Just call the flop 3bet, no one is folding to a cap. If an 8, 7 or 9 comes off I slow down on the turn.Cap river... omg. Only one hand beats you, and he often shows up with 87/88 here and we can win a lot of bets.

[Zach6668 513]

wtf raise the river

[Roo6339 0]

I'm raising and capping that river EVERY time... 100%. Never worry about quads. If he has them, good for him, he wins a big pot and you just have to move on. You can't be scared of quads though. I like capping the flop and calling down the turn unimproved if he leads. Obvious cap when your miracle card comes though.Seriously though, raise that river.

[Roo6339 0]

Just call the flop 3bet, no one is folding to a cap. If an 8, 7 or 9 comes off I slow down on the turn.

I think we're ahead often enough to cap for value.

[DCJ001 0]

wtf raise the river

But what if villain held 77?

[pokerkid 0]

Who doesn't cap the flop here?

[Metternich 0]

not capping that river is a crime against poker.

[ricardob 0]

not capping that river is a crime against poker.

alright, alright...stop hitting me with the stick. I got it now!Thanks.

[Frez 0]

But what if villain held 77?

But what if there is a monster under my bed??? Don't live in fear.If there is no limit on the river raises heads up, I'd be willing to put in 4 or 5 bets with this hand before I really start to wonder and just call. If there is a cap, then cap it PLEASE.FWIW, I think villan's turn line is more 88 than 77. And let's not rule out 22 here.

[DCJ001 0]

But what if there is a monster under my bed??? Don't live in fear.If there is no limit on the river raises heads up, I'd be willing to put in 4 or 5 bets with this hand before I really start to wonder and just call. If there is a cap, then cap it PLEASE.FWIW, I think villan's turn line is more 88 than 77. And let's not rule out 22 here.

Have you looked under your bed, lately?Aren't you missing a pair of shoes?I guess that you didn't get the J Tilly reference from PAD:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN6wAHTWeEA

[Actuary 3]

Just call the flop 3bet, no one is folding to a cap.

yeah, good pt.worse hands calling sucksOP,BB puts you on overplayesx overapair often enough that you must give him a much wider range than quads.Also, just look at card combosHe played 78, and 22 and 88 correctly as well up to this point.

[Roo6339 0]

yeah, good pt.worse hands calling sucks

Isn't this the definition of value? Worse hands calling? I know it means getting sucked out on more often, but we also win more when we do.

[Frez 0]

I guess that you didn't get the J Tilly reference from PAD:

I saw the Tilly hand. I also remember the one time I got a walk with 72 in the BB and flopped 772. Let's look at villans range of reasonable hands - by that I mean hands that most of us would play the same way:77 - 1 combo87s - 1 combo87o - 5 other combos, but I think offsuit is less likely so I will only count 222 - 2 combos88 - 3 combosSo 9 potential hands, only 1 of which beats us. And that does not count hands like 99, TT, or JJ that may have flat called from a blind PF and gone nuts on the undercard flop. The turn action makes me think these are unlikely, but I've seen stranger things, and this is a pocket change game. If we count even 3 or 4 of those 24 combos, we're ahead like 93% of the time here.

[Zach6668 513]

A lot of you guys suck REALLY hard at sarcasm.

[ricardob 0]

villain had 87o

[Zach6668 513]

If you want the math, quickly...On this river, there's exactly 1 combo that beats us, and we beat 22, 88, 87. That's 3, 3, and 6 combos respectively. So.... We win this pot 12/13 times. Since we only need to be ahead 50%+ for a bet to be profitable, we need to raise and cap this, basically, as he'd play all of these hands the same, imho.

[Roo6339 0]

A lot of you guys suck REALLY hard at sarcasm.

I wasn't being sarcastic if you're including me in that. If you took it as sarcasm I must be way off.

[Zach6668 513]

No, you weren't being sarcastic, but Actuary clearly was.

[Actuary 3]

I wasn't being sarcastic if you're including me in that. If you took it as sarcasm I must be way off.

[navybuttons 16]

these little guys are AMAZING.