trout fight

[KDawgCometh 2]

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: mr fisherman is BB with [As], [8c]. 6 folds, mr fisherman calls.Flop: (4.33 SB) [9s], [6s], [9c] (2 players)mr fisherman checks, wisemouthbass bets, wisemouthbass calls.Turn: (4.16 BB) [Ac] (2 players)mr fisherman bets, wisemouthbass calls.River: (6.16 BB) [6c] (2 players)mr fisherman bets, wisemouthbass calls.Final Pot: 8.16 BBI just want some thoughts on this hand. I will explain all actions later. The villian is a TAG, in fact chris and I are sure he's a 2fer, but not sure who he is. Debate

[custom36 5]

Nicely played. Nice hand.

[Guest]

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: mr fisherman is BB with [As], [8c]. 6 folds, mr fisherman calls.Flop: (4.33 SB) [9s], [6s], [9c] (2 players)mr fisherman checks, wisemouthbass bets, wisemouthbass calls.Turn: (4.16 BB) [Ac] (2 players)mr fisherman bets, wisemouthbass calls.River: (6.16 BB) [6c] (2 players)mr fisherman bets, wisemouthbass calls.Final Pot: 8.16 BBI just want some thoughts on this hand. I will explain all actions later. The villian is a TAG, in fact chris and I are sure he's a 2fer, but not sure who he is. Debate

Knowing that the villain is a good player, it makes this look like a very probable blind steal and you defended. I like how you played it mr. fisherman.Zara

[Vade 0]

Nice.I don't think I can make this play

[vaglvr 0]

Damn i thought this was a trout fishing post....Im not joking either, trout fishing season started this weekend....

[KDawgCometh 2]

well, lets get get some discussion on this hand. lets think about it and the play of the hand. I know I played it well. I just want to get some thoughtt going on this hand as there is some very interesting things to think aobut it. lets do it

[wrto4556 0]

ill start.What range of hands do you put CO on?Why C/r this flop with A-high?NH, btw.

[Guest]

I wish I had something better to contribute here. Nicely played hand though. I wish I had enough confidence in my post-flop play to play the hand this way.

[KDawgCometh 2]

I wish I had something better to contribute here. Nicely played hand though. I wish I had enough confidence in my post-flop play to play the hand this way.

well, give your thoughts anyway, might as well start trying right now. I put this hand up for discussion. I do want to point this out. I don't think he knows that I am also a 2+2er. He has played agasint me a few times before , so his stats on me probably tell him that I am also a TAG. What is he calling me down with, what could I put him on. What are all of your thoughts

[Vade 0]

ill start.What range of hands do you put CO on?Why C/r this flop with A-high?NH, btw.

OK, I'm not a limit player, but I think CO is making a steal with a mid-suited hand. Let's throw out there: KJs, K10s, K9s, K8s, QJs, Q10s, Q9s, J10s, J9s, J8s 109s, 108sDunno what y'all thinkAnd of course he doesn't have a 9 based on the rest of the hand. This is a list of preflop hands that he might have. I don' t think he has much...

[Guest]

Please feel free to dissect the error in my thinking. Doing this in between hands in a Stud H/L tourney so my thinking might not be clear.the check raise after the flop is esentially a c/r bluff prehaps? Keith does have outs though. Prehaps the preflop raiser has KJs? QJs? Something to that effect. But why would the TAG preflop raiser go to check/call if he didnt hit?So maybe a smaller pocket pair?

[wrto4556 0]

There's a big range of hands he could have. Ax(sooted or not), Kxs, any broadway, and any pair.OK. We check/raise the flop and he calls. That doesn't tell us much about his hand. He will make loose calls like this alot. For 2 reasons, 1) for the times you check the turn UI, and 2) so that you know he wont be pushed off of a hand that easy.The turn is an ace and he calls the turn bet....? That rules out any UI hand. He's not looking us up with KQ. He didn't raise so a 9 is out of the question.That leaves us with an ace or a small-medium pair.

[vaglvr 0]

is CO the button? i'm converter illiterate. Wow ive completely changed my answer. A anything and 7's or 8's. 10's through k's would have reraised off the flop, but it seems this is how i would play an ace with a raise off the flop . It would have surely slowed him down to the point where he would have to check call.But... if he seeing you down with k 10-Q or any spade flush draw a busted flush draw or straight draw, or smallpairs may call you with the the board showing 6 6 9 9 A thinking the board is good. It would be a weak call with a reraise off the flop but if he thinks your straight bluffing you may get the call, but to me the raise preflop and the call off the flop says A x.

[Guest]

There's a big range of hands he could have. Ax(sooted or not), Kxs, any broadway, and any pair.OK. We check/raise the flop and he calls. That doesn't tell us much about his hand. He will make loose calls like this alot. For 2 reasons, 1) for the times you check the turn UI, and 2) so that you know he wont be pushed off of a hand that easy.The turn is an ace and he calls the turn bet....? That rules out any UI hand. He's not looking us up with KQ. He didn't raise so a 9 is out of the question.That leaves us with an ace or a small-medium pair.

Overall I agree with your analysis. However, I think it is possible he's calling down with something like KQs hoping for a split. If Keith doesn't have and A, 9 or 6, or pocket pair higher than 6's, the pot is split.I think it's far more likely the CO has something like 77 or 88 with a small chance of A10 or AJ (though I would expect him to raise the turn with either of these.)If I had to pick one I would say A8s, but there is a wide range of hands he could call down with here.Zara

[vaglvr 0]

Thus spake zarathustra...

[wrto4556 0]

Would you call down with K-high?

[vaglvr 0]

Would you call down with K-high?

Nope but if he did make a stupid call off of the flop and the turn he would call the river, but i think you're right you can safely eliminate that hand. Not to mention if this drove the OP to think this was post worthy he's not going to spend time on an idiot calling down with king high or quads or something, but you cant eliminate a k high flush draw...

[Guest]

Would you call down with K-high?

Most of the time I wouldn't unless I'm VERY sure the opponent in question is maniacal when defending against apparent blind steals. I think the most likely hand is a middle pair or AX but it's still possible (if not likely) that he could have KQ.And just for vaglvr, in the original GermanDann sprach Zarathustra

[MrNiceGuy 0]

There's a big range of hands he could have. Ax(sooted or not), Kxs, any broadway, and any pair.OK. We check/raise the flop and he calls. That doesn't tell us much about his hand. He will make loose calls like this alot. For 2 reasons, 1) for the times you check the turn UI, and 2) so that you know he wont be pushed off of a hand that easy.The turn is an ace and he calls the turn bet....? That rules out any UI hand. He's not looking us up with KQ. He didn't raise so a 9 is out of the question.That leaves us with an ace or a small-medium pair.

Sounds reasonable - either A-x, 77, or 88. Probably not a big A, with no turn reraise, correct? And I think 77 or 88 three-bets the flop. So I'm guessing you either lost to A-T or A-9 or else you took down his A-rag. Either that or he called you down with K-high thinking you might be semibluffing with 78 or two spades.Was the check-raise on the flop in defense of a possible free-card play? Seems like it would be tough to get information; hard to know where you stand with A-8 on this flop no matter what he does.

[KDawgCometh 2]

The flop CR was to insinuate that I had a nine. HIs call told me that he either had a PP or he might have the six. When I spiked my ace I knew that in all porbablilit I had the best hand, so I needed to bet at it. The river was tricky with the board pairing. I wanted to go with me [retending to have the nnine again so that maybe he'd lay down instead of a possible chop. He had A6o

[MrNiceGuy 0]

The flop CR was to insinuate that I had a nine. HIs call told me that he either had a PP or he might have the six. When I spiked my ace I knew that in all porbablilit I had the best hand, so I needed to bet at it. The river was tricky with the board pairing. I wanted to go with me [retending to have the nnine again so that maybe he'd lay down instead of a possible chop. He had A6o

Not clear on your river logic - you thought he might have another A-8? That's the only thing you chop with, right? But I still think you might as well bet it, since you're probably still leading. Anyway, sucks that he spiked that 6, at least he didn't raise.So if you're representing a nine on the flop, you also bet the turn if it's a blank, right? Then fold to a raise?

[KDawgCometh 2]

The flop CR was to insinuate that I had a nine. HIs call told me that he either had a PP or he might have the six. When I spiked my ace I knew that in all porbablilit I had the best hand, so I needed to bet at it. The river was tricky with the board pairing. I wanted to go with me [retending to have the nnine again so that maybe he'd lay down instead of a possible chop. He had A6o

Not clear on your river logic - you thought he might have another A-8? That's the only thing you chop with, right? But I still think you might as well bet it, since you're probably still leading. Anyway, sucks that he spiked that 6, at least he didn't raise.So if you're representing a nine on the flop, you also bet the turn if it's a blank, right? Then fold to a raise?

I'm firing the turn on a blank becasue I still might have the best hand

[KDawgCometh 2]

looking at it, a river check call would've been best IMO

[Guest]

Your play makes sense. Unless I'm missing something, i don't see a problem betting the river. He's done nothing to make you think your hand isnt the best hand. What I don't get, however, is his play. Why does the villian not raise at any point here?

[Swift_Psycho 1]

Why does the villian not raise at any point here?

On the river? The villian probably thought he was making a crying call against a stronger boat.