Roo6339 0 Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 PokerStars 0.10/0.20 Hold'em (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)Preflop: Hero is SB with J , T . UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 raises, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.Flop: (14 SB) A , K , 3 (7 players)Hero checks, BB bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.Turn: (13 BB) 9 (6 players)Hero bets, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.River: (18 BB) 8 (5 players)Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, MP3 calls, Hero folds, BB folds, UTG+1 folds.Final Pot: 20 BBPreflop is probably questionable, but I'm getting great odds and implied odds. If I hit a big hand this table is paying me off. So how's the rest? Pretty cut I missed everything, but did I play it right? Link to post Share on other sites
RabidTortuga 0 Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 I don't know if I bet the turn. If all twelve outs are good you have about 25% equity. Either everyone has to fold, either now or on the river, or at least three players have to call all bets on this street, to make the lead bet profitable. If you bet and the player to your left raises, and everyone else folds, you have to put in two bets here HU. You're definitely semibluffing, and the conditions that make semibluffing profitable don't apply here. You have little to no chance of winning the pot with your bet, and the only hand you actually want to fold (assuming no one is folding the winning hand here when we bet) is Qx .I'd actually plan to check and either call or raise, depending on where the bet comes from and how many opponenents call. if it checks around, you get to see the river for free, which is damn sexy when you buy a free card in first position on the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
Moneyball16 0 Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 I donk the flop due to our relative position, but besides that I play it the same. I think we get enough callers on the turn to make the bet profitable. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 I donk the flop due to our relative position, but besides that I play it the same. I think we get enough callers on the turn to make the bet profitable.that was my first thought.But I could see concern that with the AK flopping and the pfr yet to act, that we get a lot of unwanted folds instead of calls in between.I'm cool with the turn bet because the pot is big and thus you'll get a lot of calls, and I would not think a raise is likely - with this card Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 meh, is there a risk of this flop checking through? Link to post Share on other sites
Roo6339 0 Posted May 6, 2008 Author Share Posted May 6, 2008 Not on this table with those high cards out there. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 meh, is there a risk of this flop checking through?low frequency with high severitygood pt, probably persuades me to lead. We have lots of players and we only need a couple callerseta: but of course we want amap, this isnt a hand where folds or calls are both great Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Yeah, but how often do these guys "check to the raiser" with their top pairs, etc, and MP3 checks his QQ behind? Link to post Share on other sites
Roo6339 0 Posted May 6, 2008 Author Share Posted May 6, 2008 That's true. Leading is probably better here. Link to post Share on other sites
RISEorFall 0 Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Yeah, but how often do these guys "check to the raiser" with their top pairs, etc, and MP3 checks his QQ behind?not as often as he bets it "for information" or "to see where he is" Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Yeah, but even then, we're in such a crappy relative position.I'd still rather donk here and just not take any chances, imho. Link to post Share on other sites
RISEorFall 0 Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 i probably donk it as well, hoping to get a 3-bet injust saying, i doubt he usually checks this flop Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 not as often as he bets it "for information" or "to see where he is"nonetheless, you agree if it checks thru 1/9 times, that it blows.Do you think we get more bets in waiting for a late pos bet to c/r?(I missed the last exchange before I responded, carry on) Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 preflop is most certainly not questionable, a fold there would be terrible. i definitely think leading this flop is better. you got lucky that it went down the way it did. i check the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
Frez 0 Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 preflop is most certainly not questionable, a fold there would be terrible. Link to post Share on other sites
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