folding kk preflop

[Petoria 0]

For those of you who thought it wasnt possible, check this out:Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.50 BB (9 handed) converterUTG ($33.25)Hero ($38)MP1 ($42.90)MP2 ($27.05)MP3 ($38.25)CO ($86.05)Button ($26.15)SB ($49.50)BB ($23.15)Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with [Kh], [Kc]. 1 fold, Hero calls $2.50, MP2 calls $2.50, Button raises all-in $26.15, SB raises all-in $49.50, Hero folds, MP2 folds.Flop: ($21.25) [3s], [3c], [9s] (2 players)Turn: ($21.25) [6s] (2 players)River: ($21.25) [5c] (2 players)Final Pot: $21.25I think most of you will say this is a standard fold, but I still feel good about it. I think it signifies that I might actually know how to play this game, but I've been wrong before.

[custom36 5]

I think it signifies that I might actually know how to play this game...

I'm speechless....just speechless...

[Petoria 0]

Hey, if you're going to quote me, don't take my statements out of context.

[custom36 5]

Hey, if you're going to quote me, don't take my statements out of context.

:eh:

[Petoria 0]

I clarified myself saying: "but I've been wrong before." So i wouldnt be left open to flames like your original post on this subject.Do you agree with the fold or not?

[princeof56k 0]

Eventhough there were 2 raises after your initial raise, I would push when it came back to me. If one of them has AA, then good for him.

[custom36 5]

I hate your fold. I'm willing to go all in with it. I don't see how it would be an easy fold at all. The only hand you're an underdog to is AA and, if one of them has that, more power to them.

[Vade 0]

Call unless one of the players is squeaky tight.I've seen this same move with QQ, JJ, 1010,99, AK, AQ, AJ even as insane as it seems.Imo, in an online cash game, KK should be folded preflop about once every month or so. If you've been playing with the same opponent long enough, maybe, but I doubt that will happen even infrequently

[Petoria 0]

I make a pot raise, and both of them come over the top for a min. raises. Don't you agree that a call of the raise gets me more information? I got the information that i needed. What is anyone rerereraising and rererereraising with preflop?

[princeof56k 0]

I make a pot raise, and both of them come over the top for a min. raises. Don't you agree that a call of the raise gets me more information? I got the information that i needed. What is anyone rerereraising and rererereraising with preflop?

You would be suprised. I faced a similar situation once except I had AA on the button. Two people in front of me raised. I pushed all-in and I had both of them covered. Both people called. One guy had 99, and the other had 88. People do some crazy things.

[Vade 0]

Minreraises don't mean aces.I'm all in after two people raise my raise. Again, any random ace is not getting a look at the flop without putting all their chips in the middle.

[Petoria 0]

My table was playing quite solidly, and the small blind is a pretty good player.

[princeof56k 0]

Imo, in an online cash game, KK should be folded preflop about once every month or so.

I disagree with this. The situation has to be so right for you to fold KK that your probably folding once every couple of years. Personally I'm never folding KK unless I'm up against the most predictable player ever.

[Vade 0]

My table was playing quite solidly, and the small blind is a pretty good player.

I'm presuming you have a decent range of hands to raise even out of early?Say...AA KK QQ JJ 1010 AKs AQs AJs AKo AQo at least?He could rereaise to try to see if you have one of the top 3 hands.And might fold his 10-10 to your all in

[Vade 0]

Imo, in an online cash game, KK should be folded preflop about once every month or so.

I disagree with this. The situation has to be so right for you to fold KK that your probably folding once every couple of years. Personally I'm never folding KK unless I'm up against the most predictable player ever.

Lol. I was trying to throw a number out there. I've played NL cash games for over two months...and never folded KK preflop in a cash game

[custom36 5]

What could they have? I'm playing at a table right now where I raised with KK, was reraised, I reraised, he reraised, so I finally went all in and he called with AJ. There are lots of things they could have.

[KDawgCometh 2]

hey, Phill Hellmuth wannabe, don't do this again. Seriously. Unless you know the exact player and have played hours upon hours against them then don't do this. I have never had a reason to fold KK PF and neither should you. I hate this fold. IMO, its just a show off fold

[Petoria 0]

What could they have? I'm playing at a table right now where I raised with KK, was reraised, I reraised, he reraised, so I finally went all in and he called with AJ. There are lots of things they could have.

Theres a difference between your situation and mine. My pot is multiway. There's also a difference between you and someone trading raises, and two other ppl reraising you.Also, do you think my call of the rereraise gets me more information, or does it just give me misinformation? The person who made the original reraise has to have quite a bit of testicular fortitude to make another all-in rerereraise with a TT or JJ against two people.

[princeof56k 0]

Also, do you think my call of the rereraise gets me more information, or does it just give me misinformation?

I dont like the call. I would rather push because its very likely one of them will call and I'll take my Kings anyday. Like I said, if one of them has AA, then good for him.

[allinbluff35 0]

dumbest. fold. ever.

[HtotheNootch 0]

Even Hellmuth (who I think these days likes to brag more about his laydowns than his wins) says he's only laid down KK twice in his life pre-flop and both times the opponent had AA. You're not as good as Hellmuth and neither am I. Move in with KK! Absent some other knowledge of course.

[Petoria 0]

Also, do you think my call of the rereraise gets me more information, or does it just give me misinformation?

I dont like the call. I would rather push because its very likely one of them will call and I'll take my Kings anyday. Like I said, if one of them has AA, then good for him.

I don't think it's as simple as that. I think you're ignoring alot of information, if you just go with a "good for him" approach.

[princeof56k 0]

Only one hand has you beat here: AA. The only way your folding KK is basing your decision purely on your read (since there is no mathematical reason to fold KK). If your read is strong enough to put one of these guys on AA, then there's no reason to even call the bet. I mean your read on this guy would have to be unbelievable.

[Petoria 0]

Is there anyone who thinks I could be folding there at a solid table with a SB who plays good? I think a fold can be made occasionally, obviously folding KK preflop is not an everyday thing. I've been playing for 3 years and this is a first, but I couldnt think of two hands played like that one of which didnt have me beat. I'm being given alot of information and to foolishly ignore it and say: "It's KK, all-in", is kinda reckless.

[KDawgCometh 2]

the only reason I think your posting this is because someone did have AA and you're trying to pat yourself on the back