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[wrto4556]

This just happened and I thought it would be good for discussion.MP2 is a loose/passive player.The button is a solid TAG player.Empire 3/6 hold'em (10 handed)Preflop: wrto is delt 3 3 in the BBUTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button raises, SB folds, wrto calls, MP2 calls.I see this and I say, button is isolating a loose limper. His hand range is pretty wide.Flop: (6.5 sb) 9 9 8 (3 handed)wrto checks, MP2 checks, Button bets...Discuss.

[Vade]

You're behind here to a TAG(most of the time) but this seems like a defensive play against the MPIf he bets again on the turn, you have to fold I think.Dunno about a flop three bet by the TAG

[wrto4556]

What do we do if MP2 calls two cold?

[Vade]

wrto4556 said:

What do we do if MP2 calls two cold?

I'm still folding to a bet from the Button. I'm convinced that we're in bad shape if he bets again whether he three bets us on the flop or bets on the turn. Obviously if your flop raise has prevented this bet, I like our position and like a followup turn bet

[waldo]

i would just fold and move onto the next hand, you are trying to exploit a very small angel and at 30/60 this would be very necessary but its 3/6, you are either very far behind or a little ahead, if MP2 and button both call and they both have overs thats still 12 of their cards plus 3 8s that kill your hand. you have to invest too much in a very unclear situation to make it a necessary play, i like raising rather than calling though

[Absolute]

You are folding if you get 3bet, right?

[wrto4556]

im calling a 3-bet and folding the turn UI. If MP2 cold calls my raise, I am check/folding the turn UI.The way it happened. MP2 called 2 cold and I was going according to plan but the river brought me a 3. I bet, MP2 raises, button calls, I 3-bet, and lead from there. 8)

[Vade]

wrto4556 said:

im calling a 3-bet and folding the turn UI. If MP2 cold calls my raise, I am check/folding the turn UI.The way it happened. MP2 called 2 cold and I was going according to plan but the river brought me a 3. I bet, MP2 raises, button calls, I 3-bet, and lead from there. 8)

You lucky bastard

[wrto4556]

river=turn, btw. I was tired when I wrote that. :-)

[KDawgCometh]

zerospace said:

wrto4556 said:

river=turn, btw. I was tired when I wrote that. :-)

I have a question which has little to nothing to do with this actual thread.In reading your race report (Keith's too); am I crazy, or have your starting hand requirements loosened somewhat? For some reason, I thought I had remembered them being stricter. Is this because you've gotten more comfortable playing post-flop?Sorry for mentioning this in the wrong topic; I was entirely too lazy to go find the last race report.

well sorta. Yes, I've gotten much better playing postflop, but it is also that I'm not gonna really post my AK, AQ,KQ hands that I win at showdown just by consistently betting with the best hand, or the ones where I fire a shell or two and just take down the pot right there. I can't speak for chris, but my more interesting hands are the ones where I've raised from late position. My V$PIP is still around 16-18% so, I really haven't changed all that much

[DCWildcat]

I'd probably let it go preflop, too much uncertainty, especially from a TAG. Love the play on the flop, but a call/3bet I'd definately fold to. Tough between calling/folding with fold/3bet. And I'd fold UI on the turn.Seems a little looser than your past 8)