DonkSlayer 1 Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 Granted this is just what Simo sent me, but I think good examples of how to play a tourney like this vs. how one might play a regular one. 35 entrants, top 5 qualified for a seat in the 75k weekly. Cheers simo for TID. Tourney is at 8pm ET on Sunday.Simo1223 (9:13:16 PM):[Offline IM sent 12h and 6m ago] Seat 1 - ACTION141 ($4875 in chips)Seat 2 - ANOUSKA1 ($5738 in chips)Seat 3 - ELTOROAA ($2910 in chips)Seat 4 - DONKSLAYER ($1810 in chips)Seat 6 - TR3SS ($2190 in chips)Seat 7 - PAPARI33 ($4287 in chips)Seat 8 - BBD22198 ($3402 in chips)Seat 9 - SHAAAZ1111 ($1535 in chips)TR3SS - Posts small blind $30PAPARI33 - Posts big blind $60*** POCKET CARDS ***Dealt to DONKSLAYER [Js 9d] BBD22198 - FoldsSHAAAZ1111 - FoldsACTION141 - FoldsANOUSKA1 - Raises $2820 to $2820ELTOROAA - All-In(Raise) $2910 to $2910DONKSLAYER - FoldsTR3SS - All-In $2160PAPARI33 - FoldsANOUSKA1 - Calls $90*** FLOP *** [4h 8d 5h]*** TURN *** [4h 8d 5h] [Qd]*** RIVER *** [4h 8d 5h Qd] [Jh]*** SHOW DOWN ***ANOUSKA1 - Shows [As Jc] (One pair, jacks) ELTOROAA - Shows [Kd Kc] (One pair, kings) TR3SS - Shows [Qs Qh] (Three of a kind, queens) ELTOROAA Collects $1440 from side pot-1TR3SS Collects $6630 from main potSimo1223 (9:13:32 PM):[Offline IM sent 12h and 5m ago] got to love the donks on APSimo1223 (10:11:25 PM):[Offline IM sent 11h and 7m ago] Table: 3 (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealerSeat 3 - ELTOROAA ($11525 in chips)Seat 4 - DONKSLAYER ($4125 in chips)Seat 5 - SENIOR77 ($1285 in chips)Seat 6 - TR3SS ($5980 in chips)Seat 8 - BBD22198 ($2832 in chips)Seat 9 - SHAAAZ1111 ($3970 in chips)DONKSLAYER - Posts small blind $100SENIOR77 - Posts big blind $200*** POCKET CARDS ***Dealt to DONKSLAYER [5d 3h] TR3SS - FoldsBBD22198 - FoldsSHAAAZ1111 - FoldsELTOROAA - FoldsDONKSLAYER - Raises $1300 to $1400SENIOR77 - All-In $1085DONKSLAYER - returned ($115) : not called*** FLOP *** [4d 6d 10s]*** TURN *** [4d 6d 10s] [2s]*** RIVER *** [4d 6d 10s 2s] [7h]*** SHOW DOWN ***DONKSLAYER - Shows [5d 3h] (Straight, three to seven) SENIOR77 - Shows [Kc Qs] (king high) DONKSLAYER Collects $2570 from main potSimo1223 (10:11:33 PM):[Offline IM sent 11h and 7m ago] lolSimo1223 (10:23:15 PM):[Offline IM sent 10h and 56m ago] Seat 3 - ELTOROAA ($10725 in chips)Seat 4 - DONKSLAYER ($7860 in chips)Seat 6 - TR3SS ($5080 in chips)Seat 8 - BBD22198 ($3564 in chips)Seat 9 - SHAAAZ1111 ($2488 in chips)ELTOROAA - Ante $25DONKSLAYER - Ante $25TR3SS - Ante $25BBD22198 - Ante $25SHAAAZ1111 - Ante $25DONKSLAYER - Posts small blind $100TR3SS - Posts big blind $200*** POCKET CARDS ***Dealt to DONKSLAYER [9c 9d] BBD22198 - FoldsSHAAAZ1111 - Raises $600 to $600ELTOROAA - FoldsDONKSLAYER - Raises $2825 to $2925TR3SS - FoldsSHAAAZ1111 - All-In $1863DONKSLAYER - returned ($462) : not called*** FLOP *** [Jd 4c 6d]*** TURN *** [Jd 4c 6d] [5s]*** RIVER *** [Jd 4c 6d 5s] [4h]*** SHOW DOWN ***DONKSLAYER - Shows [9c 9d] (Two Pair, nines and fours) SHAAAZ1111 - Shows [Ac 10h] (One pair, fours) DONKSLAYER Collects $5251 from main potSimo1223 (10:23:19 PM):[Offline IM sent 10h and 55m ago] Huge holdSimo1223 (10:24:08 PM):[Offline IM sent 10h and 55m ago] puts me at 10.5k, 9 left, 5 seats, 5800 averageSimo1223 (10:29:33 PM):[Offline IM sent 10h and 49m ago] Seat 1 - ELTOROAA ($9589 in chips)Seat 2 - HYPHYPLAYA ($8318 in chips)Seat 3 - HARRYWELSH ($3056.50 in chips)Seat 5 - LASSLAS ($2770 in chips)Seat 6 - DONKSLAYER ($10023 in chips)Seat 7 - BOWHUNTER70 ($10624.50 in chips)Seat 8 - TR3SS ($4355 in chips)Seat 9 - BBD22198 ($3764 in chips)ELTOROAA - Ante $25HYPHYPLAYA - Ante $25HARRYWELSH - Ante $25LASSLAS - Ante $25DONKSLAYER - Ante $25BOWHUNTER70 - Ante $25TR3SS - Ante $25BBD22198 - Ante $25TR3SS - Posts small blind $100BBD22198 - Posts big blind $200*** POCKET CARDS ***Dealt to DONKSLAYER [As Kc] ELTOROAA - FoldsHYPHYPLAYA - Calls $200HARRYWELSH - Calls $200LASSLAS - FoldsDONKSLAYER - Raises $1100 to $1100BOWHUNTER70 - FoldsTR3SS - FoldsBBD22198 - FoldsHYPHYPLAYA - Raises $2000 to $2200Simo1223 (10:29:35 PM):[Offline IM sent 10h and 49m ago] ughSimo1223 (10:30:08 PM):[Offline IM sent 10h and 49m ago] I foldedSimo1223 (10:43:54 PM):[Offline IM sent 10h and 35m ago] Played this one kinda weirdSimo1223 (10:44:05 PM):[Offline IM sent 10h and 35m ago] I didn't want to be forced allin with 7 leftSimo1223 (10:44:07 PM):[Offline IM sent 10h and 35m ago] with AKSimo1223 (10:44:08 PM):[Offline IM sent 10h and 35m ago] Table: 5 (Real Money) Seat #1 is the dealerSeat 1 - ELTOROAA ($11526 in chips)Seat 2 - HYPHYPLAYA ($5431 in chips)Seat 3 - HARRYWELSH ($5806.50 in chips)Seat 5 - LASSLAS ($5285 in chips)Seat 6 - DONKSLAYER ($8213 in chips)Seat 7 - BOWHUNTER70 ($12274.50 in chips)Seat 9 - BBD22198 ($3964 in chips)ELTOROAA - Ante $50HYPHYPLAYA - Ante $50HARRYWELSH - Ante $50LASSLAS - Ante $50DONKSLAYER - Ante $50BOWHUNTER70 - Ante $50BBD22198 - Ante $50HYPHYPLAYA - Posts small blind $200HARRYWELSH - Posts big blind $400*** POCKET CARDS ***Dealt to DONKSLAYER [Ah Kc] LASSLAS - Calls $400DONKSLAYER - Calls $400BOWHUNTER70 - Raises $800 to $800BBD22198 - FoldsELTOROAA - FoldsHYPHYPLAYA - FoldsHARRYWELSH - Calls $400LASSLAS - Calls $400DONKSLAYER - Calls $400*** FLOP *** [Kh 5h 8s]HARRYWELSH - ChecksLASSLAS - Bets $800DONKSLAYER - All-In(Raise) $7363 to $7363BOWHUNTER70 - FoldsHARRYWELSH - FoldsLASSLAS - All-In $3635DONKSLAYER - returned ($2928) : not called*** TURN *** [Kh 5h 8s] [Jd]*** RIVER *** [Kh 5h 8s Jd] [2c]*** SHOW DOWN ***LASSLAS - Shows [10d Kd] (One pair, kings) DONKSLAYER - Shows [Ah Kc] (One pair, kings) Simo1223 (10:44:51 PM):[Offline IM sent 10h and 34m ago] satellites change how you play so muchSimo1223 (10:45:12 PM):[Offline IM sent 10h and 34m ago] on the bubble nowSimo1223 (10:45:17 PM):[Offline IM sent 10h and 34m ago] I have 15kSimo1223 (10:45:41 PM):[Offline IM sent 10h and 33m ago] other stacks are 11k 12k 5k 5k 3kSimo1223 (10:45:48 PM):[Offline IM sent 10h and 33m ago] should be able to fold inSimo1223 (10:47:20 PM):[Offline IM sent 10h and 31m ago] lol - I'm a superuserSimo1223 (10:47:21 PM):[Offline IM sent 10h and 31m ago] Seat 1 - ELTOROAA ($13226 in chips)Seat 2 - HYPHYPLAYA ($4631 in chips)Seat 3 - HARRYWELSH ($4506.50 in chips)Seat 6 - DONKSLAYER ($14698 in chips)Seat 7 - BOWHUNTER70 ($12374.50 in chips)Seat 9 - BBD22198 ($3064 in chips)ELTOROAA - Ante $50HYPHYPLAYA - Ante $50HARRYWELSH - Ante $50DONKSLAYER - Ante $50BOWHUNTER70 - Ante $50BBD22198 - Ante $50HYPHYPLAYA - Posts small blind $200HARRYWELSH - Posts big blind $400*** POCKET CARDS ***Dealt to DONKSLAYER [9h 9s] DONKSLAYER - FoldsBOWHUNTER70 - Raises $800 to $800BBD22198 - FoldsELTOROAA - FoldsHYPHYPLAYA - Calls $600HARRYWELSH - Folds*** FLOP *** [Qd 10c 10d]HYPHYPLAYA - ChecksBOWHUNTER70 - Bets $1200HYPHYPLAYA - FoldsBOWHUNTER70 - returned ($1200) : not called*** SHOW DOWN ***BOWHUNTER70 - Shows [Ah As] (Two Pair, aces and tens) BOWHUNTER70 Collects $2300 from main potSimo1223 (10:50:19 PM):[Offline IM sent 10h and 28m ago] stacks are now 3800, 3300, 2900, 13000, 13700 and I have 15,500Simo1223 (10:50:40 PM):[Offline IM sent 10h and 28m ago] blinds at 250/500/50Simo1223 (10:55:36 PM):[Offline IM sent 10h and 23m ago] ship itSimo1223 (10:57:43 PM):[Offline IM sent 10h and 21m ago] k, it's 4am here. sleep time Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 GL in the big one, well done Simo, though I hate the second hand, trash with no implied odds, so all you have is minimal fold equity against a hand thats calling with a wide range. Link to post Share on other sites
outsider13 0 Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 Dealt to DONKSLAYER [9h 9s] DONKSLAYER - FoldsSmart play. Too many people play this hand when it's not necessary.....especially oop. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 GL in the big one, well done Simo, though I hate the second hand, trash with no implied odds, so all you have is minimal fold equity against a hand thats calling with a wide range.Seat 4 - DONKSLAYER ($4125 in chips)Seat 5 - SENIOR77 ($1285 in chips)DONKSLAYER - Posts small blind $100SENIOR77 - Posts big blind $200*** POCKET CARDS ***Dealt to DONKSLAYER [5d 3h]I think there were 14 or 15 left at this point, and 5 seats.It's pretty close, but this guy was pretty nitty and he'd blinded himself down. He isn't calling super light here.I'd say I net about 100-150 chips here. Given that I would still be above average chips if I lost I thought it was worthwhile to try and put pressure on him. If I fold he has 7bb, but if I shove and he folds he has 5.If I thought he would be calling with lower than A5 and KT I would snapfold. As it was he timebank called with KQ.The one that really annoyed me was the first AK where I basically got limp/minreraised. Link to post Share on other sites
outsider13 0 Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 The one that really annoyed me was the first AK where I basically got limp/minreraised.I was wondering about that one. You had a pretty decent stack. Would calling be an option there, hoping to hit? Link to post Share on other sites
jmbreslin 0 Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 Seat 4 - DONKSLAYER ($4125 in chips)Seat 5 - SENIOR77 ($1285 in chips)DONKSLAYER - Posts small blind $100SENIOR77 - Posts big blind $200*** POCKET CARDS ***Dealt to DONKSLAYER [5d 3h]I think there were 14 or 15 left at this point, and 5 seats.It's pretty close, but this guy was pretty nitty and he'd blinded himself down. He isn't calling super light here.I'd say I net about 100-150 chips here. Given that I would still be above average chips if I lost I thought it was worthwhile to try and put pressure on him. If I fold he has 7bb, but if I shove and he folds he has 5.If I thought he would be calling with lower than A5 and KT I would snapfold. As it was he timebank called with KQ.The one that really annoyed me was the first AK where I basically got limp/minreraised.You haven't convinced me. The guy is sitting with an M of about 4 (pre-posting) and your raise looks like a steal here. There's enough of a chance he's going to call that I'm not risking 1/4 of my stack with 53o. Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 If hes as tight as Any pair, any broadway and A5+ hes folding 3/4 of the time and you pick up 300, for 225. You lose 1185 70% of the time he calls and win 1285 30% of the time he calls. Net is -219. If he calls looser it gets worse for a long time before it gets better because 53o doesnt pick up much hand equity at all as he loosens up, and your losing chunks of the blinds as he calls more.Theres no way you'll convince me this is a good play. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 If hes as tight as Any pair, any broadway and A5+ hes folding 3/4 of the time and you pick up 300, for 225. You lose 1185 70% of the time he calls and win 1285 30% of the time he calls. Net is -219. If he calls looser it gets worse for a long time before it gets better because 53o doesnt pick up much hand equity at all as he loosens up, and your losing chunks of the blinds as he calls more.Theres no way you'll convince me this is a good play.From a cEV perspective I guarantee it's definitely profitable. Even against a somewhat loose player it would be profitable.3/4 x 300 = +2251/4 x 70% x -1185 = -2071/4 x 30% x 1485 = +111225+111-207 = +$129I think it's at least close from a $EV perspective. At worst it's just below breakeven.Worst case is losing 1/4 of my stack which puts me at the average (with a full round before paying blinds next), and that only happens about 8% of the time. Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 From a cEV perspective I guarantee it's definitely profitable. Even against a somewhat loose player it would be profitable.3/4 x 300 = +2251/4 x 70% x -1185 = -2071/4 x 30% x 1485 = +111225+111-207 = +$129I think it's at least close from a $EV perspective. At worst it's just below breakeven.Worst case is losing 1/4 of my stack which puts me at the average (with a full round before paying blinds next), and that only happens about 8% of the time.1485? He only has 1285 for you to win. Also thats your most favorable end of the range. If he calls with ATC youre still a 64:36 dog, losing about 330. His range is a lot closer to ATC then top 25%. If you hadnt sucked out this wouldnt even be a discussion! Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 1485? He only has 1285 for you to win. Also thats your most favorable end of the range. If he calls with ATC youre still a 64:36 dog, losing about 330. His range is a lot closer to ATC then top 25%. If you hadnt sucked out this wouldnt even be a discussion!Sorry, it's 1385 not 1485. It makes little difference.His range is AT MOST top 1/3. Guaranteed.Assuming I'm a 2/1 dog when called against almost any range:(1-F) x 300 = 300 - 300FF x 2/3 x -1185 = -790F F x 1/3 x 1385 = 462F300 - 300F - 790F + 462F = 300 - 628F.300 - 628F = 0 at breakeven300/628 = F = 48%.For it to be worse than neutral cEV he has to call with over 48% of all hands.The interesting thing is, when we consider $EV. I'd like to hear thoughts on the $EV perspective and how that affects things at this stage of a satellite. Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted May 2, 2008 Author Share Posted May 2, 2008 Sorry, it's 1385 not 1485. It makes little difference.His range is AT MOST top 1/3. Guaranteed.Assuming I'm a 2/1 dog when called against almost any range:(1-F) x 300 = 300 - 300FF x 2/3 x -1185 = -790F F x 1/3 x 1385 = 462F300 - 300F - 790F + 462F = 300 - 628F.300 - 628F = 0 at breakeven300/628 = F = 48%.For it to be worse than neutral cEV he has to call with over 48% of all hands.The interesting thing is, when we consider $EV. I'd like to hear thoughts on the $EV perspective and how that affects things at this stage of a satellite.pwned Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 If this was a top 2 paid satellite, my shove there would definitely be the right move. Especially against this opponent.With it being top 5 paid I'm less certain. If rather than 1300 he had >1500 or <900 I don't think I'd have shoved, if that helps give some perspective on how close I think it is. Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 pwnedNot pwned when his calling range is ridiculously tight for this situation. The play is awful, period. Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted May 2, 2008 Author Share Posted May 2, 2008 Not pwned when his calling range is ridiculously tight for this situation. The play is awful, period.I weren't trying to be an azzhole. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 Not pwned when his calling range is ridiculously tight for this situation. The play is awful, period.Thanks for continuing the discussion.Rather than say I'm flat out wrong, give a range.Why should I pass up on chip equity here? Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted May 4, 2008 Author Share Posted May 4, 2008 Regardless of opinion, tourney starts in 17 mins. Nice to see AP won't have to come up with much more than 40% overlay, LOL. Link to post Share on other sites
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