Pocket 9's In The Bb

[fighter 4]

The SB is new to the table. No show downs with him yet and this is the first Blind vs Blind battle. PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (3 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, 9. 1 fold, SB completes, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls.Flop: (8.40 SB) 6, 8, 2(2 players)SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls.Turn: (8.20 BB) 7(2 players)SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls.River: (14.20 BB) 7(2 players)SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.Final Pot: 16.20 BB

[OhKeePa 0]

im new to limit hold em...i think ive given up NL online at the stakes i play at... .05/.10 an .10/.25...but ive realized theres nothing better then when they check the river

[Frez 0]

Looks good to me. I like the turn r/c. I'm not giving up on the undercard board, but when he 3bets I'll call down.

[Actuary 3]

So is this a 6 Max table, or a full table breaking up?To me it loks like a big spew on the TurnI'm calling down from the turn.I dont have strong opinion on other streets

[fighter 4]

So is this a 6 Max table, or a full table breaking up?To me it loks like a big spew on the TurnI'm calling down from the turn.I dont have strong opinion on other streets

6 max sorry for not stating in the OP

[RabidTortuga 0]

When he leads the turn I'm happy to call down. WA/WB based on his line, and we have likely clean outs with the OESD vs an overpair, which is what I'm feeling like he woke up with.

[Actuary 3]

WA/WB based on his line, and we have likely clean outs with the OESD vs an overpair, which is what I'm feeling like he woke up with.

I don't think you understand the use of WA/WB.

[checkymcfold 0]

nh, op. ipits.

[Actuary 3]

nh, op. ipits.

please elaborate.You think we are ahead/will win enough to raise the turn? Or are their other factors to consider?

[RabidTortuga 0]

I don't think you understand the use of WA/WB.

Yeah, you're right, I misused it without counting outs. We're almost never way ahead here, and we have plenty of outs when we're behind.If he's got a bigger pocket pair or a set ,we're drawing to 10 outs. If we're up against a straight, we're drawing to a split if he's got T9 or 95, which is unlikely, or our full 10 outs if he's got a smaller straight.If he's got a clue, his limp means he doesn't want us to fold pf. His pf 3 -bet screams big pair to me.Given that, I like to draw to our outs on the turn cheaply, and check behind on the river. It looks like he's checking a dangerous board oop to induce a bluff from a missed draw/not lose 2 bets to a made hand that beats his big pp.There's also the chance that he's an agrodonk HU, but without reads I'm more likely to play it cautiously.Make more sense?

[Actuary 3]

Make more sense?

Bravo.and you made me realize I also do not like the river betThis pot is too big for villain to want to bet/fold but the card has to scare him a bit.C/C to catch worse hands is pretty obv.

[looshle 6]

River is a must bet

[RabidTortuga 0]

River is a must bet

Why? What's he call with that we beat? A8?

[Actuary 3]

Why? What's he call with that we beat? A8?

my guess Looshle will say "What's he check with that we don't beat"to which I'd say at this level, plenty of players will c/c a better hand on that river.But I'l let await Looshle. I think he plays good.

[looshle 6]

my guess Looshle will say "What's he check with that we don't beat"to which I'd say at this level, plenty of players will c/c a better hand on that river.But I'l let await Looshle. I think he plays good.

The fact that he can't bet the river means he was capping a the flop without a set. He could have 86, which we now beat. The fact that he can go crazy on an that board and then not be able to bet the river means he's prob not a winning player and plays bigger pots with more marginal hands. I'm betting an overpair ehre when checked to. He can't raise us with a worse hand.

[Actuary 3]

The fact that he can't bet the river means he was capping a the flop without a set. He could have 86, which we now beat. The fact that he can go crazy on an that board and then not be able to bet the river means he's prob not a winning player and plays bigger pots with more marginal hands. I'm betting an overpair ehre when checked to. He can't raise us with a worse hand.

I'm following except that last part. We don't beat over pairs.I would discount 86 based on the preflop playI just don't put us ahead 50%

[looshle 6]

I'm following except that last part. We don't beat over pairs.I would discount 86 based on the preflop playI just don't put us ahead 50%

I don't see an overpair 3 betting the turn, and then checking the river. I see us ahead 50%.

[checkymcfold 0]

The fact that he can't bet the river means he was capping a the flop without a set. He could have 86, which we now beat. The fact that he can go crazy on an that board and then not be able to bet the river means he's prob not a winning player and plays bigger pots with more marginal hands. I'm betting an overpair ehre when checked to. He can't raise us with a worse hand.

yea, i'd put him on some sort of counterfeited 2p hand at least 2/3 of the time with this action.

[RabidTortuga 0]

yea, i'd put him on some sort of counterfeited 2p hand at least 2/3 of the time with this action.

You guys play too good.If this is a solid or even competent player, the postflop action make sense with 86, but the preflop action doesn't. Why limp/rr with a hand like 86 when fold equity is so important to a hand that hits 2 pair on this flop?At .25/.50 (and I really think that's important here) this looks so much like a donk agrotarding with an overpair (or possibly even AK - I've seen that plenty at .50/1, even) and then being scared of trips on the river.

[Sheiky 0]

I agree with Actuary, i think it's a definite call down from the turn after he leads into us after capping the flop.

[Zach6668 513]

I doubt I raise the turn, but our equity is pretty good even when we're behind so it's a small spew, if it is.I think, on the river, I see AA-TT checking this river a lot. It's not a good card for him, given the action. Of course, I'd bet it in villain's spot, but I play better than most people at .25/.50.The other thing to consider, with respect to the preflop and river play, specifically, is the fact that it's 3-handed, and people spew like mad sometimes, especially if this was 6-handed a few hands ago. Preflop, especially could be a hand like 68s or A8s or whatever, even K8 and so on (although even 68s hands are unlikely), and of course, we can reasonably expect a bit more aggression postflop with marginal hands. I think it changes the river a bit, because of that, he can have hands weaker than overpairs when he checks.Basically, I think it's all close, and probably a bit reads-based on his aggression levels.Also, SH forum plz.

[Actuary 3]

To me it loks like a big spew on the Turn

You did see the OESD, right?

[Actuary 3]

You did see the OESD, right?

ok, small spew

[Zach6668 513]

ok, small spew

[looshle 6]

What kind of hand his he trying to represent on the turn that can beat 99 but then checks the river. If the 8 pairs I'm prob checking behind here but the 7 pairing really doesn't affect me too much, just proves that he can put 4 bets in and lead the turn without a set.The rivers a bet. All....night.....long