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#1 anteaters

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Posted 14 April 2008 - 12:42 AM

MGM 1-2 NL $200 max buyin

I have $500

UTG limps

I have AhKx on button

I make it $15 to go

UTG raises $15 more ($30 all day)

I call

FLOP= KQx (KhQh)

UTG bets $25 (has $75 behind)

...............what is the "right play"?, villain is young azn, has bought in for $40~60 several times, been talking whole night, rarely PF bets/raise/looks young/no clue if kid is TAG/LAG/DONK etc. cuz I don't even know what I'm doing for the most part

No idea what table thinks of me (just been playing ABC for most of night)

no one else has more than max buyin at table

what is the right play here? what do you put him on at this point?

main thing is, I would like to know what is the "right"= profitable play regardless of stakes etc. or, do stakes, blinds, stack matter?

any input would be appreciated, any flames will be laughed at ^0^

hopefully I can get a variety of opinions,

thanks,.......

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Posted 14 April 2008 - 01:01 AM

BBFDTS.


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Posted 14 April 2008 - 01:16 AM

QUOTE (TrueAce13 @ Monday, April 14th, 2008, 2:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
BBFDTS.
There is also a strategy section of this forum


.............err.........

Bad beats? not sure why you think I was whining about a beat.

No one was over there (Gen Strat) so hoping that someone reading this forum would respond with some genuine critique I posted it here too.

I guess as a Nub on this site, I am just wrestless.

For reals though, have any suggestions/critique/anaylsis on the hand?

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Posted 14 April 2008 - 02:03 AM

QUOTE (anteaters @ Monday, April 14th, 2008, 12:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
MGM 1-2 NL $200 max buyin

I have $500

UTG limps

I have AhKx on button

I make it $15 to go

UTG raises $15 more ($30 all day)

I call

FLOP= KQx (KhQh)

UTG bets $25 (has $75 behind)

...............what is the "right play"?, villain is young azn, has bought in for $40~60 several times, been talking whole night, rarely PF bets/raise/looks young/no clue if kid is TAG/LAG/DONK etc. cuz I don't even know what I'm doing for the most part

No idea what table thinks of me (just been playing ABC for most of night)

no one else has more than max buyin at table

what is the right play here? what do you put him on at this point?

main thing is, I would like to know what is the "right"= profitable play regardless of stakes etc. or, do stakes, blinds, stack matter?

any input would be appreciated, any flames will be laughed at ^0^

hopefully I can get a variety of opinions,

thanks,.......

- nub


the minimum raise pre flop from this guy wants action, he has AA,KK or QQ. All of which have you dominated, fold.

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Posted 14 April 2008 - 02:19 AM

Shove all day here.....it's MGM. I'm not kidding. His range is insanely wide here you probably aren't paying attention. Also this is based off the fact that you said he rebought "several" times for under the table minimum. So either you're not paying attention or have your story totally wrong. Shove, and when he flips over AQ you can thank me.
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Posted 14 April 2008 - 03:05 AM

QUOTE (GetSprung @ Monday, April 14th, 2008, 5:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Shove all day here.....it's MGM.

'nuff said

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Posted 14 April 2008 - 03:12 AM

Make it $50 and call the clock immediately on him. He will be so flustered by this strange minraise, while at the same time tilted that you called the clock right away, that his timebank will run out, his hand will be mucked, and you take down a nice pot.

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Posted 14 April 2008 - 05:00 AM

I think I push here and cry when he calls with qq??
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Posted 14 April 2008 - 05:22 AM

QUOTE (steve73 @ Monday, April 14th, 2008, 6:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
the minimum raise pre flop from this guy wants action, he has AA,KK or QQ. All of which have you dominated, fold.


You're kidding, right?

QUOTE (GetSprung @ Monday, April 14th, 2008, 6:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Shove all day here.....it's MGM. I'm not kidding. His range is insanely wide here you probably aren't paying attention. Also this is based off the fact that you said he rebought "several" times for under the table minimum. So either you're not paying attention or have your story totally wrong. Shove, and when he flips over AQ you can thank me.


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Posted 14 April 2008 - 05:24 AM

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Posted 14 April 2008 - 05:26 AM

If you've already made a post in the strat forum please don't make posts also in the General Poker Forum.

I'm going to merge the 2 topics.
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Posted 14 April 2008 - 05:27 AM

I put him all in. If you call the flop bet then I don't see you getting away from the hand anyway might as well push. Maybe check call if you think he'll bluff into you but fold if you raise?

depends on range and looseness of villain (which you said rebuys several times short). either push pre or after flop when you hit it. either way I'm getting it in here I think
QUOTE (antistuff @ Wednesday, January 28th, 2009, 6:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i told him that this hand makes him the worst player on the internet and that this was the gayest straight ever.

i then felt very clever.


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Posted 14 April 2008 - 05:36 AM

"has bought in for $40~60 several times, been talking whole night, rarely PF bets/raise/looks young/no clue if kid is TAG/LAG/DONK etc."

how can this be true btw? oxymoron?
QUOTE (antistuff @ Wednesday, January 28th, 2009, 6:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i told him that this hand makes him the worst player on the internet and that this was the gayest straight ever.

i then felt very clever.


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Posted 14 April 2008 - 09:40 AM

With his stack and your stack, I'm pushing him all in.

Sorry with the BBFDTS comment earlier, it just thought you would know to put it in the strategy forum.
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#15 Rufats

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Posted 14 April 2008 - 10:08 AM

Given your stack size - shove. You still have a backdoor flush draw... if things turn ugly.

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Posted 14 April 2008 - 11:08 AM

does anyone else shove preflop? Anyways, definitely shove the flop.


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Posted 14 April 2008 - 02:00 PM

QUOTE (TrueAce13 @ Monday, April 14th, 2008, 10:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
With his stack and your stack, I'm pushing him all in.

Sorry with the BBFDTS comment earlier, it just thought you would know to put it in the strategy forum.


no worries about BBFDTS...

It was just strange cuz this wasn't a bad beat story at all, at least for me that is

Anyway I bet all in and he eventually (after getting up and ranting about some nonsense) called asking if I had "KQ", at this point I was pretty sure he had Aces

but Turn came a K River blanked and he nearly cried as he ranted some more

anyways, everyone at the table was disgusted, giving me dirty looks and talking amongst themselves: none of which I cared about, didn't say sorry or anything but simply reminded everyone that I was just lucky the whole night.

Problem I have with my play is that, essentially I didn't know what to do on the flop. Basically I just resorted to moving all in.

I'm not sure if I could ever fold PF (with that kind of min raising etc.) But is there a case to be made to fold that flop? What if his stack was larger?

Btw, I had no clue what style, skill level, experience the kid had, as someone mentioned before, cuz I wasn't paying enough attention to the "short stacks" at the

table, although I guess no one had a big stack.

At the risk of sounding arrogant or whatever, I just assumed he was a novice or recreational player that "thought" he was good

thanks for the replies and opinions all

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Posted 14 April 2008 - 07:46 PM

QUOTE (chgocubs99 @ Monday, April 14th, 2008, 6:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Make it $50 and call the clock immediately on him.


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Posted 15 April 2008 - 02:01 AM

QUOTE (anteaters @ Monday, April 14th, 2008, 2:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not sure if I could ever fold PF (with that kind of min raising etc.) But is there a case to be made to fold that flop? What if his stack was larger?
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If he had 400-500, then it's a tough one. But I'd fold it, I guess. TPTK - I don't risk all my money on it.

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Posted 15 April 2008 - 06:55 AM

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