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Overplayed Combo Draw In Multiway Pot?


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#1 Metternich

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Posted 11 April 2008 - 02:38 PM

Full Tilt 0.25/0.5 Hold'em (6 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9, T.
UTG calls, MP calls, CO checks, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 3, T, Q (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, MP raises, CO 3-bets, Hero caps, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Turn: (11 BB) 5 (4 players)
UTG checks, MP bets, CO calls, Hero raises, UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Final Pot: 19 BB


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Posted 11 April 2008 - 04:30 PM

I think the turns a spew. The flop was capped and mp still want to lead the turn. Tons of our outs are dirty with possible 33, QT, high flush draws out there that we definitly dont have the 25% equity needed to raise here for value and we dont have any fold equity.

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Posted 11 April 2008 - 04:51 PM

Yeah, turn spew. And you need more than 25% here because UTG will be faced with two cold, so there's no guarantee he's coming along.
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Posted 11 April 2008 - 07:38 PM

I like the cap on the flop. You can knock out a weak queen, Q9, or 99, and you're getting your equity if everyone calls.

I wouldn't raise the turn. Your equity is diminished, you're likely behind, and you might not even be drawing to the nuts. Sets could restrict your outs as well.

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Posted 11 April 2008 - 07:46 PM

QUOTE (Gmen869007 @ Friday, April 11th, 2008, 11:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I like the cap on the flop. You can knock out a weak queen, Q9, or 99, and you're getting your equity if everyone calls.

I would never ever ever ever ever ever ever count on someone folding out TP no matter how weak their kicker is.

However, we can fold out better 10s, cleaning up some outs for us.
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Posted 11 April 2008 - 08:58 PM

QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Friday, April 11th, 2008, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would never ever ever ever ever ever ever count on someone folding out TP no matter how weak their kicker is.

However, we can fold out better 10s, cleaning up some outs for us.


Not saying he should count on it. It's a real possibility though, depending on what types of games you play in. I've seen people fold worse and I think we're in agreement on the inherent benefits of playing this round agressively.

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Posted 11 April 2008 - 09:08 PM

Well, of course we should play it aggressively, since our equity is through the roof in a 4+ way pot, but I think a Q folds the flop, at these stakes <1% of the time, if that. There is merit to a hand like KT or JT folding, though.
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Posted 12 April 2008 - 09:28 AM

QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Friday, April 11th, 2008, 8:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
However, we can fold out better 10s, cleaning up some outs for us.


oh, i love cleaning up ONE out.

and LOL at the turn being spew.

i play the same.
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