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#841 jmbreslin

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Posted 19 April 2009 - 10:17 AM

It was actually Tilt, not Stars. Here's a good hand from the session. Check out what SB minraises with and then what the BB calls with.Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.05 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comMP ($1.48)Button ($5.86)SB ($8.94)BB ($1.99)Hero (UTG) ($7.06)Preflop: Hero is UTG with 2Posted Image, 6Posted Image, JPosted Image, 9Posted Image1 fold, MP calls $0.05, Button calls $0.05, SB bets $0.10, BB calls $0.05, MP calls $0.05, Button calls $0.05Flop: ($0.40) APosted Image, 2Posted Image, JPosted Image (4 players)SB bets $0.20, BB calls $0.20, 1 fold, Button calls $0.20Turn: ($1) 8Posted Image (3 players)SB bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50, 1 foldRiver: ($2) QPosted Image (2 players)SB bets $1, BB calls $1Total pot: $4 | Rake: $0.26Results:SB had 5Posted Image, 7Posted Image, 6Posted Image, KPosted Image (Hi: high card, Ace, Lo: [ 8, 6, 5, 2, A ]).BB had 3Posted Image, QPosted Image, 4Posted Image, 9Posted Image (Hi: one pair, Queens, Lo: [ 8, 4, 3, 2, A ]).Outcome: BB won $3.74
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Posted 19 April 2009 - 10:20 AM

Here's another one. Check out Button's preflop call.Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comBB ($1.75)UTG ($2.14)MP ($5.19)CO ($7.28)Button ($3.56)Hero (SB) ($6.94)Preflop: Hero is SB with APosted Image, 4Posted Image, QPosted Image, 3Posted ImageUTG bets $0.10, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.15, Button calls $0.15, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.05Flop: ($0.52) JPosted Image, QPosted Image, 2Posted Image (3 players)UTG checks, CO checks, Button bets $0.05, UTG calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05Turn: ($0.67) APosted Image (3 players)UTG bets $0.05, 1 fold, Button calls $0.05River: ($0.77) 3Posted Image (2 players)UTG bets $0.05, Button calls $0.05Total pot: $0.87 | Rake: $0.05Results:Button had QPosted Image, 9Posted Image, 4Posted Image, 2Posted Image (Hi: two pair, Queens and twos).UTG had 2Posted Image, 5Posted Image, KPosted Image, APosted Image (Hi: two pair, Aces and twos).Outcome: UTG won $0.82
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Posted 19 April 2009 - 05:32 PM

All I have to say is, L-O-freakin-L. Check out these geniuses.Full Tilt No-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comCO ($8.52)Hero (Button) ($4.15)SB ($1.97)BB ($1.13)UTG ($5.15)MP ($1.35)Preflop: Hero is Button with 7Posted Image, KPosted Image, 4Posted Image, APosted ImageUTG bets $0.15, MP raises to $1.35 (All-In), 4 folds, UTG calls $1.20Flop: ($2.73) 2Posted Image, 8Posted Image, 10Posted Image (2 players, 1 all-in)Turn: ($2.73) 6Posted Image (2 players, 1 all-in)River: ($2.73) 10Posted Image (2 players, 1 all-in)Total pot: $2.73 | Rake: $0.18Results:UTG had 5Posted Image, 3Posted Image, 7Posted Image, 7Posted Image (Hi: two pair, tens and sevens, Lo: [ 8, 6, 5, 3, 2 ]).MP had 2Posted Image, 6Posted Image, 5Posted Image, 9Posted Image (Hi: two pair, tens and sixes).Outcome: UTG won $2.55
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Posted 20 April 2009 - 06:04 AM

View Postjmbreslin, on Sunday, April 19th, 2009, 2:20 PM, said:

Here's another one. Check out SB's preflop fold here.Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comBB ($1.75)UTG ($2.14)MP ($5.19)CO ($7.28)Button ($3.56)Hero (SB) ($6.94)Preflop: Hero is SB with APosted Image, 4Posted Image, QPosted Image, 3Posted ImageUTG bets $0.10, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.15, Button calls $0.15, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.05Flop: ($0.52) JPosted Image, QPosted Image, 2Posted Image (3 players)UTG checks, CO checks, Button bets $0.05, UTG calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05Turn: ($0.67) APosted Image (3 players)UTG bets $0.05, 1 fold, Button calls $0.05River: ($0.77) 3Posted Image (2 players)UTG bets $0.05, Button calls $0.05Total pot: $0.87 | Rake: $0.05Results:Button had QPosted Image, 9Posted Image, 4Posted Image, 2Posted Image (Hi: two pair, Queens and twos).UTG had 2Posted Image, 5Posted Image, KPosted Image, APosted Image (Hi: two pair, Aces and twos).Outcome: UTG won $0.82
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QUOTE (antistuff @ Wednesday, January 28th, 2009, 6:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i told him that this hand makes him the worst player on the internet and that this was the gayest straight ever.

i then felt very clever.


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Posted 20 April 2009 - 10:27 AM

Eh, I don't need to be calling raises and reraises OOP with marginal holdings against this crowd.
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Posted 21 December 2009 - 01:05 PM

I just stumbled over that old post branding me as a donk (well, at least not literally - retard it is :club:), so I thought I should reply on that. This hand is about a year old, and I donít remember it, but I try to reconstruct what I might have had in mind. Here is the original post with the hand history, below that you will find my comments.

View Postantistuff, on Sunday, January 18th, 2009, 4:41 PM, said:

i hate it when im right and then the retard calls anyway. his play is so consistent with a draw here(for him). turns out he plays hands he's scared of betting but feels like he has to bet them this way this way also. i can hear the voice in his stupid head "i have a full house how can i not bet?" then i hear the voice in his stupid head again "well, im beat here like always but i have a full house how can i fold". to my credit i was trying to push him off a better ace high and not a full house. but what i love is his bet on the river. why would anybody bet that river if they are going to call a raise like that?but what i hate is that if i don't win it back from him soon he's gonna get up, leave, and even worse than take my money with him feel good about himself. like he just did before i finished writing this. i posted this with his name so if you run across him you can have an easier time taking his money. i don't care who he loses to i just want him to lose. Full Tilt Poker Game #10110750764: Table Twin Lakes - $0.50/$1 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 10:25:20 ET - 2009/01/18Seat 1: Titiritero ($34.50)Seat 2: smoose60 ($53.35)Seat 3: meljohn ($26.90)Seat 4: Votex ($116.70)Seat 5: xRinkRat ($9)Seat 6: udomyex ($129.30), is sitting outSeat 7: Morphismus ($141.25)Seat 8: antistuff ($199.05)Seat 9: Paco J Jones ($106.50)xRinkRat posts the small blind of $0.50Morphismus posts the big blind of $1The button is in seat #4*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to antistuff [Ac 7h 6d 2c]antistuff raises to $2Paco J Jones foldsTitiritero foldssmoose60 foldsmeljohn calls $2Votex foldsudomyex has returnedxRinkRat calls $1.50Morphismus calls $1*** FLOP *** [5d 3s Ts]xRinkRat checksMorphismus bets $4antistuff has 15 seconds left to actantistuff calls $4meljohn foldsxRinkRat folds*** TURN *** [5d 3s Ts] [Th]Morphismus bets $8antistuff calls $8*** RIVER *** [5d 3s Ts Th] [3d]Morphismus bets $16antistuff raises to $80Morphismus has 15 seconds left to actudomyex stands upMorphismus calls $64*** SHOW DOWN ***antistuff shows [Ac 7h 6d 2c] a pair of Tens, for highMorphismus shows [Kh 5c 5h Js] a full house, Fives full of Tens, for highMorphismus wins the pot ($189) with a full house, Fives full of TensNo low hand qualified*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $192 | Rake $3Board: [5d 3s Ts Th 3d]Seat 1: Titiritero didn't bet (folded)Seat 2: smoose60 didn't bet (folded)Seat 3: meljohn folded on the FlopSeat 4: Votex (button) didn't bet (folded)Seat 5: xRinkRat (small blind) folded on the FlopSeat 6: udomyex is sitting outSeat 7: Morphismus (big blind) showed [Kh 5c 5h Js] and won ($189) with HI: a full house, Fives full of TensSeat 8: antistuff showed [Ac 7h 6d 2c] and lost with HI: a pair of TensSeat 9: Paco J Jones didn't bet (folded)
My comments:1) Calling the minbet with the KJ55ss in the BB: Basically a terrible hand for Omaha 8, but I get 7:1, and since itís pot limit, thereís such a thing as implied odds. However, folding here would have been fine, and would have been mandatory in a limit game, I guess.2) Flop 53T with two spades, and I have middle set. Not the best of all hands, but after the SB checks, I guess betting out for half the pot is not too bad to see whatís up; I guess itís better than a check-call. I probably put antistuff on some kind of Aceish-duceish-lowish hand before the flop, which is consistent with an early position minbet in these games, though Aces with babies are perfectly possible, too. His flatcall with 2 players to call behind him confirmed my opinion that he has the nut-low draw, possible together with a flushdraw, although he might have raised in that case. He would have definitely raised with top set here to protect against the flush- and lowdraws, unless he has something like A2TTss, a not so likely raising hand. All in all, I probably felt that Iím still in front, yet with a very vulnerable hand given this action on the flop. I probably would have folded here to a large reraise, since I am behind a nutlow + straight + flushdraw, and of course the top set. What antistuff thinks about my hand? Maybe flushdraw or top set?3) Turn T Ė I just filled up. I probably felt now that I have a lock on the high, since a TT in his hand is now very unlikely, given the math and given the game we play. Raising only half the pot here Ė I donít know if this is good or bad, a bit more might have been better, but I donít know what I thought here. I probably felt, however, that my hand is well concealed, since he, too, now wonít think I have TT in my hand. He flat calls again, and I stay with my read of him holding the nut low draw.4) River 3 Ė two pair on the board, a situation which in Omaha makes full houses somewhat unlikely. Yet, I have one, and I probably felt good about it, and bet out half the pot again. Again, I donít know why I chose this size of a raise. Anyway Ė he reraises big, yet not the maximum, and the log says I was thinking, before I decided to just call. How confident I was regarding my hand I donít know. But after all, what could he have? A TT in his hand Ė unlikely. A 33 Ė a bit more likely, with something like A332. But thatís basically it. Having a T3 or even a T5 in his hand is extremely unlikely given the math and the game; the quad treys scenario is basically the only one consistent with a reasonable PLO8 raising hand. So I probably put him on a bluff (people do that, you know), since he, on the other hand, canít think Iím filled up, putting me on a busted flush / low. Given that, I probably just called because only the (unlikely) hands that beat me could call, but I probably should have gone allin in the case of the stubborn aces.Summarizing, except from the bet sizes were Iím not sure about and the preflop call, I donít see too many mistakes here on my behalf. Also, I donít see too many mistakes by antistuff. Calling on the flop with his nutlow-draw + gutshot to the nut high in a potential multi-way pot was ok. He probably should have tried to take it down on the turn, since here I could have still believed the T3 scenario. The bluff on the river Ė gutsy play, and not unreasonable. However, also in Omaha you should give the BB some credit for having a weird holding. Regarding the ďi don't care who he loses to i just want him to lose.Ē comment: He should care about winning from whomever, instead of caring about other people losing to whomever. Everything else is just a waste of time.Thatís my two cents Ė what do you guys think?

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 11:29 AM

I think the preflop call is pretty bad. The implied odds really aren't that good - pretty much the only highly profitable flops for you will be quads vs. top full house or the nut straight with a heart draw and those don't come along often. You'll more often get into trouble flopping a set of fives on a low board.The river should be a pretty easy call. Aside from T5, T3, TT, and 33 being pretty unlikely combos, the play on the preflop, flop, and turn is not consistent with those hands.
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Posted 24 December 2009 - 02:08 AM

i remember this. i was cranky. i posted that here to vent. i do stand by my analysis of your play though (minus the personal insults). as for the river in particular, if you put me on a low draw then why are you betting out? if im calling the turn with just a low draw then im obviously doing it with the intention of trying to take the pot from you on the river.
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