I just stumbled over that old post branding me as a donk (well, at least not literally - retard it is
), so I thought I should reply on that. This hand is about a year old, and I donít remember it, but I try to reconstruct what I might have had in mind. Here is the original post with the hand history, below that you will find my comments.
antistuff, on Sunday, January 18th, 2009, 4:41 PM, said:
i hate it when im right and then the retard calls anyway. his play is so consistent with a draw here(for him). turns out he plays hands he's scared of betting but feels like he has to bet them this way this way also. i can hear the voice in his stupid head "i have a full house how can i not bet?" then i hear the voice in his stupid head again "well, im beat here like always but i have a full house how can i fold". to my credit i was trying to push him off a better ace high and not a full house. but what i love is his bet on the river. why would anybody bet that river if they are going to call a raise like that?but what i hate is that if i don't win it back from him soon he's gonna get up, leave, and even worse than take my money with him feel good about himself. like he just did before i finished writing this. i posted this with his name so if you run across him you can have an easier time taking his money. i don't care who he loses to i just want him to lose. Full Tilt Poker Game #10110750764: Table Twin Lakes - $0.50/$1 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 10:25:20 ET - 2009/01/18Seat 1: Titiritero ($34.50)Seat 2: smoose60 ($53.35)Seat 3: meljohn ($26.90)Seat 4: Votex ($116.70)Seat 5: xRinkRat ($9)Seat 6: udomyex ($129.30), is sitting outSeat 7: Morphismus ($141.25)Seat 8: antistuff ($199.05)Seat 9: Paco J Jones ($106.50)xRinkRat posts the small blind of $0.50Morphismus posts the big blind of $1The button is in seat #4*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to antistuff [Ac 7h 6d 2c]antistuff raises to $2Paco J Jones foldsTitiritero foldssmoose60 foldsmeljohn calls $2Votex foldsudomyex has returnedxRinkRat calls $1.50Morphismus calls $1*** FLOP *** [5d 3s Ts]xRinkRat checksMorphismus bets $4antistuff has 15 seconds left to actantistuff calls $4meljohn foldsxRinkRat folds*** TURN *** [5d 3s Ts] [Th]Morphismus bets $8antistuff calls $8*** RIVER *** [5d 3s Ts Th] [3d]Morphismus bets $16antistuff raises to $80Morphismus has 15 seconds left to actudomyex stands upMorphismus calls $64*** SHOW DOWN ***antistuff shows [Ac 7h 6d 2c] a pair of Tens, for highMorphismus shows [Kh 5c 5h Js] a full house, Fives full of Tens, for highMorphismus wins the pot ($189) with a full house, Fives full of TensNo low hand qualified*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $192 | Rake $3Board: [5d 3s Ts Th 3d]Seat 1: Titiritero didn't bet (folded)Seat 2: smoose60 didn't bet (folded)Seat 3: meljohn folded on the FlopSeat 4: Votex (button) didn't bet (folded)Seat 5: xRinkRat (small blind) folded on the FlopSeat 6: udomyex is sitting outSeat 7: Morphismus (big blind) showed [Kh 5c 5h Js] and won ($189) with HI: a full house, Fives full of TensSeat 8: antistuff showed [Ac 7h 6d 2c] and lost with HI: a pair of TensSeat 9: Paco J Jones didn't bet (folded)
My comments:1) Calling the minbet with the KJ55ss in the BB: Basically a terrible hand for Omaha 8, but I get 7:1, and since itís pot limit, thereís such a thing as implied odds. However, folding here would have been fine, and would have been mandatory in a limit game, I guess.2) Flop 53T with two spades, and I have middle set. Not the best of all hands, but after the SB checks, I guess betting out for half the pot is not too bad to see whatís up; I guess itís better than a check-call. I probably put antistuff on some kind of Aceish-duceish-lowish hand before the flop, which is consistent with an early position minbet in these games, though Aces with babies are perfectly possible, too. His flatcall with 2 players to call behind him confirmed my opinion that he has the nut-low draw, possible together with a flushdraw, although he might have raised in that case. He would have definitely raised with top set here to protect against the flush- and lowdraws, unless he has something like A2TTss, a not so likely raising hand. All in all, I probably felt that Iím still in front, yet with a very vulnerable hand given this action on the flop. I probably would have folded here to a large reraise, since I am behind a nutlow + straight + flushdraw, and of course the top set. What antistuff thinks about my hand? Maybe flushdraw or top set?3) Turn T Ė I just filled up. I probably felt now that I have a lock on the high, since a TT in his hand is now very unlikely, given the math and given the game we play. Raising only half the pot here Ė I donít know if this is good or bad, a bit more might have been better, but I donít know what I thought here. I probably felt, however, that my hand is well concealed, since he, too, now wonít think I have TT in my hand. He flat calls again, and I stay with my read of him holding the nut low draw.4) River 3 Ė two pair on the board, a situation which in Omaha makes full houses somewhat unlikely. Yet, I have one, and I probably felt good about it, and bet out half the pot again. Again, I donít know why I chose this size of a raise. Anyway Ė he reraises big, yet not the maximum, and the log says I was thinking, before I decided to just call. How confident I was regarding my hand I donít know. But after all, what could he have? A TT in his hand Ė unlikely. A 33 Ė a bit more likely, with something like A332. But thatís basically it. Having a T3 or even a T5 in his hand is extremely unlikely given the math and the game; the quad treys scenario is basically the only one consistent with a reasonable PLO8 raising hand. So I probably put him on a bluff (people do that, you know), since he, on the other hand, canít think Iím filled up, putting me on a busted flush / low. Given that, I probably just called because only the (unlikely) hands that beat me could call, but I probably should have gone allin in the case of the stubborn aces.Summarizing, except from the bet sizes were Iím not sure about and the preflop call, I donít see too many mistakes here on my behalf. Also, I donít see too many mistakes by antistuff. Calling on the flop with his nutlow-draw + gutshot to the nut high in a potential multi-way pot was ok. He probably should have tried to take it down on the turn, since here I could have still believed the T3 scenario. The bluff on the river Ė gutsy play, and not unreasonable. However, also in Omaha you should give the BB some credit for having a weird holding. Regarding the ďi don't care who he loses to i just want him to lose.Ē comment: He should care about winning from whomever, instead of caring about other people losing to whomever. Everything else is just a waste of time.Thatís my two cents Ė what do you guys think?