David_Nicoson 1 Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 ReadsOnly a few hands at this table.MP limp/calls often.SB hasn't played any hands yet.stacksSB (250)BB (32)UTG (124)UTG+1 (136)Hero (204)MP (116)hijack (198)cutoff (118)button (140)Preflop ($3)2 folds. Hero raises to 6 with 6 7 . MP calls. 3 folds. SB calls. BB calls.Flop ($24)A 3 2 :club:2 checks. Hero ? Link to post Share on other sites
SCS 0 Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 Normally, I'm folding preflop. As played, I'd make a continuation bet of about $18-$20. This is about as good a flop we can hope for without flopping a made hand. Link to post Share on other sites
AimHigher 0 Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 I would bet, I don't see any reason to believe that the ace actually hit any of them. I also don't think we are going to get raised off our draw by anyone, although the blinds could do it. The board is deceptively dry, the only one who is likely to have an ace in his range is the SB. He and the BB have both checked and the only hands I could possibly see the blinds checking to us with the intention of raising are twos, threes and 45. We also have a passive player behind us who we suspect is calling with a pretty wide range. Also, since he seems to be passive, even if the ace did hit he is probably not raising after we lead into 3 players.Please correct me if any of my ideas are wrong though. Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 I bet $16-$18. We have position on most of the players, and we can represent the ace on the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 Bet $18-20 Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 $15 here is prob fine. We're representing an ace, basically, and hoping someone else has one. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 $15 here is prob fine. We're representing an ace, basically, and hoping someone else has one.Hi. We have 7 high and want people to fold.Your position is good here. MP will need an A or flush draw to continue because he's got 2 players behind him. If he doesn't, then he will fold and you should have position on the field. You have 7 high and no other equity in this pot aside from the draw, so I can't see NOT betting, and if you do check, c/cing kind of turns your hand face up imo. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 so I can't see NOT betting, and if you do check, c/cing kind of turns your hand face up imo.i think this is the key here, you should bet unless he is going to call after the flush hits, then just wait and make your hand, but if the flush is going to scare him than you have to bet now...that make any sense? Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 i think this is the key here, you should bet unless he is going to call after the flush hits, then just wait and make your hand, but if the flush is going to scare him than you have to bet now...that make any sense?yeah it's what i meant by hoping he had an acebest case scenario here is running 4 5 offsuit. STACKAGE Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted April 5, 2008 Author Share Posted April 5, 2008 Harrington says, "You're in reasonable shape, but a check is certainly correct here."Buy the book if you want to know why he says that.I don't agree with it. Not only did we get an ace to represent, we have an actual draw that can be both outs for our own hand or blocking outs for the villain. Raising in the first place is questionable with shorts stacks in play. Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Harrington says, "You're in reasonable shape, but a check is certainly correct here."Buy the book if you want to know why he says that.I don't agree with it. Not only did we get an ace to represent, we have an actual draw that can be both outs for our own hand or blocking outs for the villain. Raising is in the first place is questionable with shorts stacks in play.Stupid tourney nit.Actually, I am going to burrow his cash game books from a friend who thinks he's the best player ever. I really just want to highlight parts of the book that make it obvious he can't play cash for shit :)But he's a helluva tournament player. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Guys...you're missing something really obvious about this hand...The correct answer: bet $13 exactlyWant to know why? Look at BB. He's got $26 after he calls pre-flop. By betting $13, we allow him to re-open the betting for us if he shoves...which really can put the rest of our opponents in a tough spot. MP and SB won't be able to confidently call here without worrying about BB (and thus indirectly you) forcing them to pay a lot more. We'll obviously be priced in to at least calling his shove and may 3-bet depending on the action. The size of our betting is also quite reasonable for a c-bet and representing the ace...and we've got info that 2 opponents have checked already. If we had like 3 opponents with position on us, then I can see the argument for checking more. Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Guys...you're missing something really obvious about this hand...The correct answer: bet $13 exactlyWant to know why? Look at BB. He's got $26 after he calls pre-flop. By betting $13, we allow him to re-open the betting for us if he shoves...which really can put the rest of our opponents in a tough spot. MP and SB won't be able to confidently call here without worrying about BB (and thus indirectly you) forcing them to pay a lot more. We'll obviously be priced in to at least calling his shove and may 3-bet depending on the action. The size of our betting is also quite reasonable for a c-bet and representing the ace...and we've got info that 2 opponents have checked already. If we had like 3 opponents with position on us, then I can see the argument for checking more.Nice pick up. I didn't notice how short the BB is. It's sexy to be able to reopen the betting here if he shoves indeed. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Raising in the first place is questionable with shorts stacks in play.Also, this is correct pre-flop. (Poor position doesn't help either.) Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 $15 here is prob fine. We're representing an ace, basically, and hoping someone else has one. Guys...you're missing something really obvious about this hand...The correct answer: bet $13 exactlyWant to know why? Look at BB. He's got $26 after he calls pre-flop. By betting $13, we allow him to re-open the betting for us if he shoves...which really can put the rest of our opponents in a tough spot. MP and SB won't be able to confidently call here without worrying about BB (and thus indirectly you) forcing them to pay a lot more. We'll obviously be priced in to at least calling his shove and may 3-bet depending on the action. The size of our betting is also quite reasonable for a c-bet and representing the ace...and we've got info that 2 opponents have checked already. If we had like 3 opponents with position on us, then I can see the argument for checking more.ackMy big and I mean BIGGEST leak is ignoring stack sizes and how they can be played.VN Link to post Share on other sites
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