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#1 gobears

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Posted 05 May 2005 - 04:49 PM

No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converterMP2 (t975)MP3 (t795)CO (t975)Button (t960)SB (t1075)Hero (t1000)UTG (t950)UTG+1 (t965)MP1 (t2305)Preflop: Hero is BB with Ah, Jh.6 folds, Button calls t15, SB completes, Hero raises to t50, Button calls t35, SB folds.Flop: (t112.50) Th, 7c, Kh (2 players)Hero bets t100, Button raises all-in t910 , Hero ????I'm actually taking this hand from another forum's board, but I found it interesting.Would you call or fold?
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Posted 05 May 2005 - 04:55 PM

gobears said:

No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converterMP2 (t975)MP3 (t795)CO (t975)Button (t960)SB (t1075)Hero (t1000)UTG (t950)UTG+1 (t965)MP1 (t2305)Preflop: Hero is BB with Ah, Jh.6 folds, Button calls t15, SB completes, Hero raises to t50, Button calls t35, SB folds.Flop: (t112.50) Th, 7c, Kh (2 players)Hero bets t100, Button raises all-in t910 , Hero ????I'm actually taking this hand from another forum's board, but I found it interesting.Would you call or fold?
Fold. There's nothing in this pot. You're barely getting 1.2 to 1 on your tournament life
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Posted 05 May 2005 - 05:29 PM

At worst, you're a 2:1 underdog to any set. Against any 2 pair, it's around 55/45. Against AK, you're a slight 53/47 underdog, and against any other lone pair, you are a favorite. So unless your opponent flopped a set, you are getting the pot odds to call this.But this isn't a cash game, so it depends on the table. If I'm sitting with Phil Ivey, JJ, DN and the like, I gotta call this. If I'm up against the standard PS $5 SNG crowd, I'll probably wait for a better spot.

#4 princeof56k

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Posted 05 May 2005 - 09:32 PM

This is an easy fold in my opinion. The key here is that it is early in the tournament and you have plenty of chips left. Pick a better spot later on.

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Posted 06 May 2005 - 09:07 AM

I thought that this was a fold situation also but...On the 2+2 forum where I found this hand, the overwhelming consensus was to "call".Arguments for the call included: "Rather accept variance early to mitigate risk later""Build it up early to punish later rather than being in a survival mode""Take slight edge now to get chips to pound people later""Accumulate big stack early to reduce variance later by keeping the ability to withstand future bad beats"
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Posted 06 May 2005 - 09:22 AM

gobears said:

I thought that this was a fold situation also but...On the 2+2 forum where I found this hand, the overwhelming consensus was to "call".Arguments for the call included:  "Rather accept variance early to mitigate risk later""Build it up early to punish later rather than being in a survival mode""Take slight edge now to get chips to pound people later""Accumulate big stack early to reduce variance later by keeping the ability to withstand future bad beats"
That is an outstanding tournament strategy question that I have been struggling with. I try to avoid coin flips early, and usually make the money, but don't have enough chips to really make a run at the title.So, what is the better strategy - going for a huge chip lead early and taking some additional risk, or taking a tight approach to make the money, hoping a huge hand will give you the chips you need?
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#7 AcidJoe

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Posted 06 May 2005 - 05:32 PM

I'm the same way.... I've had a 2nd and 4th but am usually a chip dog going in. but I survive till the money so that's all good. I usually lose the coin flips early so I'd fold.....




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