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[econ_tim]

$1/$2 Hold'em at FullTilt - 8 playersI'm UTG with [A :heart: T :heart: ]SB posts $0.50, BB posts $1, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB completes, BB checks.(7 SB)With so many callers, wishing I had raised.Flop [8 :club: 4 :club: A :club: ]SB bets $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 2 folds, SB calls.(pot is now 6.5 BB)Turn [T :spade: ]SB checks, Hero bets $2, MP2 folds, SB calls.(pot is now 8.5 BB)Since no one 3 bet the flop, figure I should play my two pair hard.River [7 :spade: ]SB checks, Hero bets $2, SB calls.(pot is now 10.5 BB)Pretty sure it's OK to bet here.Results in white below:Hero shows two pair, Aces and TensSB shows [5c 9c] for a flush, Ace highSB win 20.5 BB

[cdddc75]

Got to raise that preflop. You see why the limp was bad, no point in beating you up on that.The rest seems fine to me. I guess SB thought you might have a bigger flush and went passive after the flop raise.

[Wily]

This is what I gripe about a lot about 1/2 FTP games! Same thing as players calling a raise preflop with AA and then call the entire way through. You should've raised that preflop, but just be glad that he didn't extract more from you. That's what I say to myself when I see weird stuff like this also.If you were up against me, like when I defended with 10 4s hehe, I'd bet, call the flop. Then check raise the turn. Then check raise the river out of spite ;)Edit: And then make my donkey avatar do some cool tricks while your chicken frowns sadly.

[Vade]

I'm folding on the flop because I have only a pair of aces with a weak kicker.Others may disagree though. This is a tough spot to raise preflop. I think you have to raise it though

[wrto4556]

Vade said:

I'm folding on the flop because I have only a pair of aces with a weak kicker.

You're fucking crazy. This is an easy flop raise.Also, raise ATs preflop.

[Vade]

wrto4556 said:

Vade said:

I'm folding on the flop because I have only a pair of aces with a weak kicker.

You're fucking crazy. This is an easy flop raise.Also, raise ATs preflop.

May I respectfully point out that this flop is 7 handed!7 handed! You can't think that there aren't some clubs sitting out there eh?

[wrto4556]

Not enough for you not to raise.

[JaysonWeber]

Yeah if your going to come in with this, come in raising from UTG, other than that I think you played it well.

[jayboogie]

I think it depends on who the player in the blind is, if it's a bad player, a raise is ok here sometimes, but if it's a good player, you should fold. What is someone that knows what they're doing going to bet into a field of 7 players that can't beat Ace with a T kicker? Depending on who it is, I'd usually fold in this spot. You also have to factor in that there are 7 players in the hand. I don't really think AT is the best hand here a lotta the time after the flop. Also, the only way your improving here is to runner runner for a boat. Calling is the worst option here, you want to take out the draws here and get this pot with as little players as possible if you decide to go on with the hand at all.

[Vade]

Thanks Jay.To clarify, since the OP limped preflop I'm foldingHad the OP raised preflop, then I agree with the raise.OP has 1 dollar invested in this pot, I think that makes a difference.

[Wily]

I think you played it fine here. Out of 7 players seeing the flop, it's probably still less than break even that anyone has a made flush. He may be betting this with an ace with club kicker.If OP played this correctly, he checkraises Tim on the turn, in which case Tim has a tough decision to make with top two and a possible draw to a boat. From my guess, Tim would have to call there, and call another bet on the river. I think Tim was lucky he got out of this richer 1 BB than he should've been.

[KDawgCometh]

Vade said:

I'm folding on the flop because I have only a pair of aces with a weak kicker.Others may disagree though. This is a tough spot to raise preflop. I think you have to raise it though

no, its easy to raise it PF, I do it all the time. and its one of the eaisest flop raises ever, I repeat eaisest flop raise ever. YOu have TPGK. more often than not someone is just on a flush draw, so why would we want to fold what could very well be the best hand on this flop. If you consistently do this then you will be losing out on $$$.

[BeanGW]

KDawgCometh said:

Vade said:

I'm folding on the flop because I have only a pair of aces with a weak kicker.Others may disagree though. This is a tough spot to raise preflop. I think you have to raise it though

no, its easy to raise it PF, I do it all the time. and its one of the eaisest flop raises ever, I repeat eaisest flop raise ever. YOu have TPGK. more often than not someone is just on a flush draw, so why would we want to fold what could very well be the best hand on this flop. If you consistently do this then you will be losing out on $$$.

Mr. KDawg... tisk tisk... I happen to absolutely agree with you generally on this play, but since it's been bet into you from the blind, I'm gonna go with the Cardplayer quiz response on this one. Today's Hold'em Poker Topic: Single-Suited Flops. Question --------------------------------------------------------------------------------A $10-$20 game. You are in the big blind and have Ad-Th. Two early players, a middle player, the cutoff, and the small blind all limp, so you get a free play. There is $60 in the pot and six players. The flop is: Ac-7c-3c, giving you top pair, fair kicker. The small blind bets. What do you do? Answer --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Fold. With the board flopping all of one suit and you not having even a card in that suit, you could be in serious trouble here. You have top pair, decent kicker, which might be a raising hand under other circumstances. But, in this case, there are too many players and you do not have enough hand. Getting people out who are drawing with a club in their hand is a good play only if you have a strong reason to believe that you have the best hand. But the small blind could easily have an ace with a bigger kicker, two pair, or even something better, since he his leading into a field of five opponents.

[Swift_Psycho]

BeanGW said:

Mr. KDawg... tisk tisk... I happen to absolutely agree with you generally on this play, but since it's been bet into you from the blind, I'm gonna go with the Cardplayer quiz response on this one. Today's Hold'em Poker Topic: Single-Suited Flops. Question --------------------------------------------------------------------------------A $10-$20 game. You are in the big blind and have Ad-Th. Two early players, a middle player, the cutoff, and the small blind all limp, so you get a free play. There is $60 in the pot and six players. The flop is: Ac-7c-3c, giving you top pair, fair kicker. The small blind bets. What do you do? Answer --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Fold. With the board flopping all of one suit and you not having even a card in that suit, you could be in serious trouble here. You have top pair, decent kicker, which might be a raising hand under other circumstances. But, in this case, there are too many players and you do not have enough hand. Getting people out who are drawing with a club in their hand is a good play only if you have a strong reason to believe that you have the best hand. But the small blind could easily have an ace with a bigger kicker, two pair, or even something better, since he his leading into a field of five opponents.

Yeah, I was actually going to point out this quiz myself. At the same time, I'm not so sure that the quiz answer is correct and our forum veterans are wrong because there have been times that I've felt that the cardplayer answers were a little funky. It should also be pointed out that perhaps the answer changes when playing in a $10/20 game instead of a $1/2 game.

[BeanGW]

Swift_Psycho said:

Yeah, I was actually going to point out this quiz myself. At the same time, I'm not so sure that the quiz answer is correct and our forum veterans are wrong because there have been times that I've felt that the cardplayer answers were a little funky. It should also be pointed out that perhaps the answer changes when playing in a $10/20 game instead of a $1/2 game.

I agree that the limits probably do change things up a bit. Guess I was really focusing on the fact that KDawg called it one of the easiest raises ever.

[princeof56k]

I believe someone else already stated this, but I think the real problem was that you didnt raise before the flop. This allowed the SB and the BB to come in (as well as a bunch of other people by the way) with just about anything. When the flop comes down with 3 suited, the SB decides to bet into it with a lot of other people left to act. So he must feel pretty good about what he has. At that point I would think that he could have one of following: a made flush (he played any 2 suited cards since there was no raise), limped in with A8/A4 making 2 pair, K clubs and drawing to the nut flush. I dont think he would bet into this from the SB and 6 people left to act hoping to win the pot right there. He's either betting to see where hes at or betting for value. In either case he will probably continue to the river. With him betting AND so many people left to act behind you, I would fold here.

[KDawgCometh]

BeanGW said:

Swift_Psycho said:

Yeah, I was actually going to point out this quiz myself. At the same time, I'm not so sure that the quiz answer is correct and our forum veterans are wrong because there have been times that I've felt that the cardplayer answers were a little funky. It should also be pointed out that perhaps the answer changes when playing in a $10/20 game instead of a $1/2 game.

I agree that the limits probably do change things up a bit. Guess I was really focusing on the fact that KDawg called it one of the easiest raises ever.

at 1/2 it is an extremely easy raise. At 10/20 you go on your read, ya know. the donk bettin g into hero here could have a worse ace, a flush draw, or a lesser pair and is hoping to take down teh pot right here because of the scary flop. I say shut out the rest of the field as your hand is good more than you'd think