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[CaneBrain]

NoBBiR, on Sunday, April 6th, 2008, 1:46 PM, said:

Kansas's big guys are deeper/more talented. If they don't forget about going inside to Kaun/Arthur/Aldrich/Jackson, they'll be hard pressed to lose. Memphis' guards are really good, and they can run like no one else (except maybe Kansas). It'll be a damn good game, I expect a very high score.I completely disagree. I think the NBA is actually 10x less watchable than college basketball. I think the competitiveness is just skewed this year, but 4 #1's had to make the Final Four eventually, and I'm glad it happened. The best of the best do occasionally deserve to battle it out for all the marbles. During the tournament, even with the poor officiating lately, I never get more pumped for a sporting event.

I doubt you have watched much if any western conference basketball this year. otherwise, you would understand that claiming the NBA is 10x less watchable than college after watching this tourney filled with its missed lay-ups, turnovers, charges, poor officiating, bad coaching, and numerous blowouts is absurd.

[NoBBiR]

Jadaki, on Sunday, April 6th, 2008, 3:12 PM, said:

Depends, the western conference regular season has been some of the most exciting basketball played in the NBA since the late 80's. For people who always have complained that the regular season is too long this has been the perfect season to show that no matter how long it is, every game has mattered.

Since the late 80's? Maybe just the late 80's. The 90's were 3 teams dominating the West and one dominating the East. The Suns, the Rockets, and the Jazz destroyed the Western Conference throughout the 90's. First the Suns dominated and ran into the Bulls, then the Rockets winning in Jordan's absence, then the Jazz dominated and then ran into the Bulls with Jordan back. The Finals and late playoff games of those years when Jordan was nailing game winners over and over was the only exciting parts. I'd say the 90's were really a boring bunch of years in the NBA, unless you're a Bulls fan. Then the early 2000's were dominated utterly by the Lakers. Until just recently, the NBA has been borrrrrrring since the Lakers/Celtics clashing yearly in the Finals in the 80's.

CaneBrain, on Sunday, April 6th, 2008, 7:19 PM, said:

I doubt you have watched much if any western conference basketball this year. otherwise, you would understand that claiming the NBA is 10x less watchable than college after watching this tourney filled with its missed lay-ups, turnovers, charges, poor officiating, bad coaching, and numerous blowouts is absurd.

So for the first time in 10 years the number ones won games they were supposed to win and got to the Final Four in convincing fashion the NCAA isn't exciting? It had to happen at some point.Really the only reason the Final Four teams raped their way to the Final Four was because 1/2 the players that are playing on the Final Four teams should be in the NBA, but went to college because of the new rule, therefore enhancing the play of the top teams.

[NoBBiR]

weeeee double postaments

[Jadaki]

NoBBiR, on Monday, April 7th, 2008, 2:20 AM, said:

Really the only reason the Final Four teams raped their way to the Final Four was because 1/2 the players that are playing on the Final Four teams should be in the NBA, but went to college because of the new rule, therefore enhancing the play of the top teams.

That's not true. With the exception of Rose, no one from the final four teams is really a one year and off to the NBA player. You could make a case for Kevin Love but thats still a reach because UCLA made the final four for the last two years before he played for them.Not only that but UCLA had to squeak by in a game and Kansas barely beat Davidson. UNC and Memphis were never really at risk but the other two both had games come down to the last couple possessions. I'm not saying this tournament wasn't exciting because the four #1's made it, I'm saying your underestimating how good the NBA has been this year.

[CaneBrain]

NoBBiR, on Sunday, April 6th, 2008, 11:16 PM, said:

Until just recently, the NBA has been borrrrrrring since the Lakers/Celtics clashing yearly in the Finals in the 80's.So for the first time in 10 years the number ones won games they were supposed to win and got to the Final Four in convincing fashion the NCAA isn't exciting? It had to happen at some point.Really the only reason the Final Four teams raped their way to the Final Four was because 1/2 the players that are playing on the Final Four teams should be in the NBA, but went to college because of the new rule, therefore enhancing the play of the top teams.

You are not listening to me. It has nothing to do with one seeds winning. I really dont think that affects the quality of the tournament in any way. My problem is the overall level of play. It sucks. Too many missed 8-footers in transition, too many missed layups, too many blown defensive assignment, too many bad charges, too much horrid officiating, too much bad coaching, too many blowouts, and just an overall lack of attractive basketball. Teams like KU/Memphis that have any real depth are so few and far between.I will agree that only VERY recently (last 2-4 years) has the NBA become the better league. College was better for a long period but not anymore.

[NoBBiR]

CaneBrain, on Monday, April 7th, 2008, 5:09 AM, said:

You are not listening to me. It has nothing to do with one seeds winning. I really dont think that affects the quality of the tournament in any way. My problem is the overall level of play. It sucks. Too many missed 8-footers in transition, too many missed layups, too many blown defensive assignment, too many bad charges, too much horrid officiating, too much bad coaching, too many blowouts, and just an overall lack of attractive basketball. Teams like KU/Memphis that have any real depth are so few and far between.I will agree that only VERY recently (last 2-4 years) has the NBA become the better league. College was better for a long period but not anymore.

The reason there are so many missed 8 footers, lay-ups, blown assignments is because this isn't the pro's. A lot of guys that play on teams in the tournament will not go pro, and for good reason, but I don't think it's really a knock on the league just because some people blow layups. It happens to everyone now and again, even Kobe/LeBron/TMac/Whoever. You can't say that people don't blow easy looks in the NBA too.I'm just not a fan of the NBA anymore. There is very little difference from year to year. Suns/Spurs/Mavs/Lakers, Pistons/Cavs/and now Boston. The same teams are usually in the playoffs, with the except of Golden State who has gotten better very quickly, and the playoff system sucks ass. The reason I think the NCAA has a leg up on the NBA is because of the 1-and-done system. It's so much more exciting, and everyone lays everything on line, because they know it's lose and go home. I just lose interested over 7 games unless it's the finals.As for the officiating, yeah, it's been pretty bad so far this season, I really hope they sort it out next year. The Kansas UNC game was the pinnacle of awful officiating.

[bigkg]

NoBBiR, on Monday, April 7th, 2008, 4:11 PM, said:

The reason there are so many missed 8 footers, lay-ups, blown assignments is because this isn't the pro's. A lot of guys that play on teams in the tournament will not go pro, and for good reason, but I don't think it's really a knock on the league just because some people blow layups. It happens to everyone now and again, even Kobe/LeBron/TMac/Whoever. You can't say that people don't blow easy looks in the NBA too.I'm just not a fan of the NBA anymore. There is very little difference from year to year. Suns/Spurs/Mavs/Lakers, Pistons/Cavs/and now Boston. The same teams are usually in the playoffs, with the except of Golden State who has gotten better very quickly, and the playoff system sucks ass. The reason I think the NCAA has a leg up on the NBA is because of the 1-and-done system. It's so much more exciting, and everyone lays everything on line, because they know it's lose and go home. I just lose interested over 7 games unless it's the finals.As for the officiating, yeah, it's been pretty bad so far this season, I really hope they sort it out next year. The Kansas UNC game was the pinnacle of awful officiating.

For somebody like me, watching the NCAA is almost painful unless it's the top teams or my team. I love the game of basketball and like to watch it at its highest level, so I watch the NBA. I could easily sit down and watch the Timberwolves play the Clippers, but there's no way I'm watching Northwestern vs Iowa. It makes me want to puke when college teams go on 5+ minutes scoring droughts because they can't hit a jump-shot. I still like the NCAA, but I will always like the NBA more.Also, the Western Conference race is far more exciting than any recent NCAA tournament I can think of.

[Poppy_Hillis]

NoBBiR, on Monday, April 7th, 2008, 1:11 PM, said:

The reason I think the NCAA has a leg up on the NBA is because of the 1-and-done system. It's so much more exciting, and everyone lays everything on line, because they know it's lose and go home. I just lose interested over 7 games unless it's the finals.

This doesn't make any sense to me, and I don't think it ever will.

[NoBBiR]

Jadaki, on Monday, April 7th, 2008, 5:04 AM, said:

That's not true. With the exception of Rose, no one from the final four teams is really a one year and off to the NBA player. You could make a case for Kevin Love but thats still a reach because UCLA made the final four for the last two years before he played for them.Not only that but UCLA had to squeak by in a game and Kansas barely beat Davidson. UNC and Memphis were never really at risk but the other two both had games come down to the last couple possessions. I'm not saying this tournament wasn't exciting because the four #1's made it, I'm saying your underestimating how good the NBA has been this year.

Love, Rose, Rush are three players that should be in the NBA. Rush would have been last year if he didn't get hurt. Hansbrough really won't be a force in the NBA, but he dominates shorter, less physical forwards and is above the crop of the NCAA in terms of skill set. I think Lawson is NBA ready too, he has amazing speed. Chalmers will probably go pro if Kansas wins it all, and C.D.R. is NBA ready for sure. I think UCLA's Westbrook is too.I misspoke when I said that they are all one and done players, but all of those guys are capable of being in the NBA, and they will be soon. With talent level that high on those four teams, it's really no surprise that they made the Final Four, mostly in blowouts (apart of UCLA who sucked because Collison can't ever score more than 2 points and continuously fouls out).

Poppy_Hillis, on Monday, April 7th, 2008, 2:32 PM, said:

This doesn't make any sense to me, and I don't think it ever will.

How does it make no sense to you? You don't like to see guys give their all and fight like crazy because they know if they don't win, they're done? That makes the games much more interesting, because the really good teams can't say, eh, we'll give them this game and then sweep them at home because it'll be easier.Neutral sites and only one game make things ridiculously exciting.

[bigkg]

NoBBiR, on Monday, April 7th, 2008, 7:09 PM, said:

Love, Rose, Rush are three players that should be in the NBA. Rush would have been last year if he didn't get hurt. Hansbrough really won't be a force in the NBA, but he dominates shorter, less physical forwards and is above the crop of the NCAA in terms of skill set. I think Lawson is NBA ready too, he has amazing speed. Chalmers will probably go pro if Kansas wins it all, and C.D.R. is NBA ready for sure. I think UCLA's Westbrook is too.I misspoke when I said that they are all one and done players, but all of those guys are capable of being in the NBA, and they will be soon. With talent level that high on those four teams, it's really no surprise that they made the Final Four, mostly in blowouts (apart of UCLA who sucked because Collison can't ever score more than 2 points and continuously fouls out).How does it make no sense to you? You don't like to see guys give their all and fight like crazy because they know if they don't win, they're done? That makes the games much more interesting, because the really good teams can't say, eh, we'll give them this game and then sweep them at home because it'll be easier.Neutral sites and only one game make things ridiculously exciting.

Seriously?

[NoBBiR]

bigkg, on Monday, April 7th, 2008, 3:16 PM, said:

Seriously?

You've seen teams give up near the end when they're down like ten points with a minute left because they know they have more games coming and don't want to risk injury, so don't act like you haven't. Hard to do that in the NCAA playoffs when you know if you do, the gig is up.

[JoeyJoJo]

NoBBiR, on Monday, April 7th, 2008, 6:54 PM, said:

You've seen teams give up near the end when they're down like ten points with a minute left because they know they have more games coming and don't want to risk injury, so don't act like you haven't. Hard to do that in the NCAA playoffs when you know if you do, the gig is up.

bigkg, on Monday, April 7th, 2008, 6:16 PM, said:

Seriously?

[bigkg]

NoBBiR, on Monday, April 7th, 2008, 7:54 PM, said:

You've seen teams give up near the end when they're down like ten points with a minute left because they know they have more games coming and don't want to risk injury, so don't act like you haven't. Hard to do that in the NCAA playoffs when you know if you do, the gig is up.

I'd rather see them throw in the towel than foul every possession for the next minute holding on to that 0% chance of them coming back to win.

[SuitedAces21]

I find Im so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. I think its only the excitement a Kansas basketball fan can feel. I hope the crowd is as blue as its been in my dreams. I hope B Rushs threes find nothing but net. I hope Russel Robinson plays the best defensive game of his life. I hope to see Kansas win, and clap my hands. I hope...

[Poppy_Hillis]

NoBBiR, on Monday, April 7th, 2008, 4:09 PM, said:

How does it make no sense to you? You don't like to see guys give their all and fight like crazy because they know if they don't win, they're done? That makes the games much more interesting, because the really good teams can't say, eh, we'll give them this game and then sweep them at home because it'll be easier.Neutral sites and only one game make things ridiculously exciting.

This might sound bad and it's not meant to insult you by any means, because I respect your point of view, but one-and-done postseason is just ridiculous and caters to the casual and simple minded fans. I would much rather find out who the best team than who happened to win that day.

[NoBBiR]

Poppy_Hillis, on Monday, April 7th, 2008, 4:25 PM, said:

This might sound bad and it's not meant to insult you by any means, because I respect your point of view, but one-and-done postseason is just ridiculous and caters to the casual and simple minded fans. I would much rather find out who the best team than who happened to win that day.

I understand it's not usually going to come out with an upset when their is 7 games for the better team to play their best games, but if that's how they do it, you might as well just give the 1 and 2 seeds in the east and west in the NBA a bye. They lose so often that it's almost always a 4-0 or 4-1 sweep.Until Golden State stunned the world against Dallas, I never saw the point of a 1 playing anybody because they never had lost. Still, its like 50-1.Plus, I really do enjoy to see a Cinderella team come out of nowhere and show that they really can hang with the big boys. If Davidson didn't shock Georgetown and Wisconsin and even hang with Kansas, would anybody even be talking about Stephen Curry? I doubt it, but now he's probably going pro.Maybe the NCAA really needs a one-and-done system so that guys that show up big in the post season have a shot at the pros after they show their stuff, and maybe the NBA needs a multi-game system so that they can maximize profit for franchises and show who the true better team is.Meh, who knows. I just genuinely think that the NCAA is a much more exciting league.

[NoBBiR]

bigkg, on Monday, April 7th, 2008, 3:59 PM, said:

I'd rather see them throw in the towel than foul every possession for the next minute holding on to that 0% chance of them coming back to win.

Did you not play in High School? The 1 in 20 times it works, it's the best feeling in the world to know that you didn't just say **** it, and kept playing and maximized the clock.And I don't know how any sports fan can honestly say they'd rather see a team just quit than give it their all. It's so depressing.

[SuitedAces21]

[bigkg]

NoBBiR, on Monday, April 7th, 2008, 9:18 PM, said:

Did you not play in High School? The 1 in 20 times it works, it's the best feeling in the world to know that you didn't just say **** it, and kept playing and maximized the clock.And I don't know how any sports fan can honestly say they'd rather see a team just quit than give it their all. It's so depressing.

No I didn't play in high school and it matters none. It probably is a great feeling, but nobody is coming back from 10 with a minute to go in the NBA. The only reason it works in high school and the NCAA is because they can't shoot free-throws. It's horrible to watch.Also, I wouldn't rather see a team quit rather than give it all. I'd rather see a team realize they are beat and let the game end instead of dragging it out for 5 more unnecessary minutes because you want to hold on to that chance you don't have.

[Jadaki]

NoBBiR, on Monday, April 7th, 2008, 8:15 PM, said:

Until Golden State stunned the world against Dallas, I never saw the point of a 1 playing anybody because they never had lost. Still, its like 50-1.

You must have missed that Seattle/Denver series in the 90's.