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#1 bdc30

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Posted 05 May 2005 - 05:07 AM

Just thought I would post a hand that I played a few weeks ago at the Windsor Casino in the $1-2 (100 max buy-in) No Limit game. I'm on the button with J :) K :D Table has been playing fairly tight, not many raises most of the night. 5 people before me limp in, as do I, and the blinds call and check. Flop comes 9 :D 10 :) Q :club: Perfect flop for my hand, sort of.... Second position bets $10, two players fold, one calls and I raise it to $30 to go. BB calls, as does the original bettor. Turn brings Q :club: Uh oh.... BB bets out $20, second player calls, I call. (question 1 - should I have raised here, or gone all in? I had about $325 in front of me at this point, way more than either player still left in the hand, who both had around $100-$150 left) River Card comes K :club: BB checks, P2 checks, I bet out $20. BB asks the dealer "How much can I raise?" and pushes all in. P2 folds, and with my Nut straight flush, it's an easy call. BB flips over A :club: Q :club: for the Ace high flush. (question 2 - What can the big blind possibly think I have at this point? With only the Ace high flush, any bet I would make here would probably have him beaten. The board is paired, with a 4 card straight flush) (question 3 - The session fee at Windsor is $6 per 1/2 hour at the $100 max NL table. Am I the only one that thinks that is way too high?? That's 6 BB per hour---Tough to beat the house in that game) Any input is appreciated.

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Posted 05 May 2005 - 05:40 AM

I don't understand the guy's river push either, not with a straight flush and a full house board staring him in the face. If he was determined to push no matter what (which he obviously was) it would've made more sense to push on the turn when he still had a bunch of outs against a made straight or flush, and even had a handful of outs against a turned full house. He still would've lost, but that's my take on his push.As for your play ... not sure you could've done that much better, you got all his money right? If you raise the turn and run into a made full boat you're drawing to only two outs (the 8 :D and K :) ) which would hurt. The fact that you actually hit it doesn't make a turn raise any less dicey, imo. So all in all ... nice hand!
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Posted 05 May 2005 - 05:55 AM

GamblinLeaf said:

I don't understand the guy's river push either, not with a straight flush and a full house board staring him in the face.  If he was determined to push no matter what (which he obviously was) it would've made more sense to push on the turn when he still had a bunch of outs against a made straight or flush, and even had a handful of outs against a turned full house.  He still would've lost, but that's my take on his push.As for your play ... not sure you could've done that much better, you got all his money right?  If you raise the turn and run into a made full boat you're drawing to only two outs (the 8 :D  and K :) ) which would hurt.  The fact that you actually hit it doesn't make a turn raise any less dicey, imo.  So all in all ... nice hand!
Agreed. I think you played the hand just fine. With a possible made flush and/or full boat staring you down at the turn, I would have just smooth called my straight as well.

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Posted 05 May 2005 - 06:46 AM

Regarding your question on the $6/1/2 hour. I think that is high. I play at the Borgata in AC, and at the 2-5 table ($500 buy-in) it is $5. At the 1-2 ($300 buy-in) they take a rake, up $3 per pot. One of the many reasons to play online...although I enjoy live poker much more, it just isn't as convenient.

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Posted 05 May 2005 - 07:35 AM

GamblinLeaf said:

I don't understand the guy's river push either, not with a straight flush and a full house board staring him in the face.  If he was determined to push no matter what (which he obviously was) it would've made more sense to push on the turn when he still had a bunch of outs against a made straight or flush, and even had a handful of outs against a turned full house.  He still would've lost, but that's my take on his push.
That in itself begs another question about the hand....If BB pushes all in on the turn, for his last$125,do you call that bet with the straight and open ended straight flush draws, with the board showing a boat AND flush???

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Posted 05 May 2005 - 07:51 AM

bdc30 said:

GamblinLeaf said:

I don't understand the guy's river push either, not with a straight flush and a full house board staring him in the face.  If he was determined to push no matter what (which he obviously was) it would've made more sense to push on the turn when he still had a bunch of outs against a made straight or flush, and even had a handful of outs against a turned full house.  He still would've lost, but that's my take on his push.
That in itself begs another question about the hand....If BB pushes all in on the turn, for his last$125,do you call that bet with the straight and open ended straight flush draws, with the board showing a boat AND flush???
If he goes all in on the turn... whether or not the middle position player folds, I'd fold. Pot odds at that point would be like 2:1 (approx???) Already says the table has been playing tight...I'd have to figure that I'm beat to two outs.

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Posted 05 May 2005 - 09:45 AM

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I'd have to figure that I'm beat to two outs.
Yeah, me too. I just can't see myself calling in that spot unless I had one helluva read on the guy or it was late in a tourney and I had a monster stack and just wanted to try and take the guy out. Normally, I'd probably end up folding through clenched teeth, asking the dealer to rabbit hunt, and (if the dealer did) kicking myself all the way to the buffet ... lol.
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Posted 05 May 2005 - 09:54 AM

i dont understand how this is in the strategy forumyou got a straight flushnhnext.....
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