a shorthanded session(i love action)

[wrto4556 0]

There has been alot of shorthanded questions going around so I decided to post a whole session that I had. Watch how much I open raise from the SB and Button. 8) Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (4 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is Button with J:spade:, A:club:. UTG raises, UTG calls.Flop: (7.50 SB) 6:spade:, 7:spade:, 4:club: (2 players)UTG checks, wrto bets, UTG calls.Turn: (4.75 BB) 2:diamond: (2 players)UTG checks, wrto bets, wrto calls.River: (8.75 BB) 5:club: (2 players)UTG bets, wrto calls.Final Pot: 10.75 BBI seen him c/r the turn a little too much when starting so I looked him up with A-high.UTG has Qd Qh (one pair, queens). wrto has Js Ac (high card, ace). Outcome: UTG wins 10.75 BB.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (5 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is Button with A:heart:, T:spade:. 2 folds.Flop: (5 SB) 8:heart:, A:diamond:, 6:spade: (2 players)SB checks, wrto bets, SB folds.Final Pot: 3 BBNo showdown. wrto wins 3 BB. Standwardo.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (5 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is Button with A:spade:, T:diamond:. 2 folds, BB calls.Flop: (4.50 SB) 9:heart:, 4:club:, Q:club: (2 players)BB bets, wrto calls.This guy is catching alot of cards. He's been calling from the BB with any two cards and leading the flop. I finally get a hand worthy of calling him down.Turn: (3.25 BB) J:heart: (2 players)BB bets, BB calls.Semi-bluff/value raiseRiver: (7.25 BB) 5:spade: (2 players)BB checks, wrto checks.Final Pot: 7.25 BBBB has 6c Qs (one pair, queens). wrto has As Td (high card, ace). Outcome: BB wins 7.25 BB.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (5 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is Button with 8:spade:, A:heart:. UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG calls.No limping if im on the button. (not really, but I will raise alot of hands here.)Flop: (7 SB) K:diamond:, 7:spade:, A:club: (3 players)SB checks, UTG checks, wrto bets, SB folds, UTG folds.Final Pot: 4 BBNo showdown. wrto wins 4 BB. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (3 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is Button with 7:club:, A:spade:. wrto raises, SB calls, BB calls.Flop: (6 SB) 4:club:, 9:spade:, 6:spade: (3 players)SB checks, BB checks, wrto bets, SB folds, BB calls.Turn: (4 BB) A:heart: (2 players)BB bets, BB folds.Why, oh, why did I raise? I should have called to let him bluff the river. If he's bluffing he's not going to call my raise...if he has me beat, he's 3-betting. That was a silly raise.Final Pot: 7 BBNo showdown. wrto wins 7 BB.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (5 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is Button with A:heart:, 4:diamond:. 2 folds, BB calls.Flop: (4.50 SB) 3:club:, 9:diamond:, J:diamond: (2 players)BB checks, wrto bets, BB folds.Final Pot: 2.75 BBNo showdown. wrto wins 2.75 BB. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (3 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is Button with Q:spade:, K:heart:. wrto raises, BB calls.Flop: (4.50 SB) 4:spade:, J:club:, 8:club: (2 players)BB checks, wrto bets, BB calls.Turn: (3.25 BB) 9:heart: (2 players)BB checks, wrto checks.The last thing I want is to be c/red here. I have 2 overcards and a gut shot. I take the free card.....River: (3.25 BB) 6:club: (2 players)BB bets, wrto calls...........and try to pick off a bluff.Final Pot: 5.25 BBBB has Jh As (one pair, jacks). wrto has Qs Kh (high card, king). Outcome: BB wins 5.25 BB.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (5 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is Button with K:heart:, 8:spade:. 2 folds, wrto calls.I have a K! (I'll raise garbage like this about 25-30% of the time.)Flop: (7 SB) J:club:, 6:club:, Q:spade: (2 players)SB bets, wrto folds.Easy, easy, fold...I don't even want to peel.Final Pot: 4 BBNo showdown. SB wins 4 BB.Btw, He showed me AA. :wink: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (4 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is Button with 5:diamond:, K:heart:. 1 fold, BB calls.Flop: (4.50 SB) 5:heart:, 4:heart:, 7:heart: (2 players)BB bets, BB calls.Same guy that had Q6.Turn: (4.25 BB) 9:club: (2 players)BB checks, wrto bets, BB calls.River: (6.25 BB) 4:spade: (2 players)BB checks, wrto bets, BB calls.Final Pot: 8.25 BBBB has 7d 8c (two pair, sevens and fours). wrto has 5d Kh (two pair, fives and fours). Outcome: BB wins 8.25 BB.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (5 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is Button with J:club:, 8:spade:. 2 folds.Final Pot: 1.75 BBResults in white below:No showdown. wrto wins 1.75 BB.Blind theft.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (5 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is Button with 7:diamond:, 9:diamond:. 2 folds.Final Pot: 1.75 BBNo showdown. wrto wins 1.75 BB.Robbin' the hood.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Those were all hands on the button that I played. Here is the CO and MP.Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (5 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is MP with A:club:, A:spade:. 1 fold.Final Pot: 1.75 BBNo showdown. wrto wins 1.75 BB.Boo-urns.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (4 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is UTG with A:club:, A:heart:. wrto raises, BB calls.Flop: (6.50 SB) 5:spade:, 3:heart:, 6:diamond: (3 players)BB checks, wrto bets, Button calls, BB folds.Turn: (4.25 BB) T:spade: (2 players)wrto bets, Button calls.River: (6.25 BB) 7:spade: (2 players)wrto bets, Button calls.Final Pot: 8.25 BBwrto has Ac Ah (one pair, aces). Button has Qc As (high card, ace). Outcome: wrto wins 8.25 BB. Easy.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (5 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is MP with 9:spade:, A:spade:. 1 fold, BB calls.Flop: (4.50 SB) J:club:, 4:spade:, 5:heart: (2 players)BB bets, wrto calls.Turn: (3.25 BB) K:heart: (2 players)BB bets, wrto calls.River: (5.25 BB) A:club: (2 players)BB bets, BB calls.Final Pot: 9.25 BBSame dude with Q6.BB has Jd Qh (one pair, jacks). wrto has 9s As (one pair, aces). Outcome: wrto wins 9.25 BB.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (5 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is MP with K:spade:, Q:spade:. 1 fold.Final Pot: 1.75 BBNo showdown. wrto wins 1.75 BB.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------WA/WB line.Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (5 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is MP with T:spade:, K:diamond:. 1 fold, wrto calls.Flop: (7.50 SB) K:club:, Q:spade:, 4:diamond: (2 players)wrto checks, Button bets, wrto calls.Turn: (4.75 BB) 3:heart: (2 players)wrto checks, Button bets, wrto calls.River: (6.75 BB) 7:heart: (2 players)wrto checks, Button bets, wrto calls.Final Pot: 8.75 BBwrto has Ts Kd (one pair, kings). Button has Ac As (one pair, aces). Outcome: Button wins 8.75 BB.I was WB.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I swear to god this dude was getting on my nerves to the point where all I could think about was setting him up good ONE time.Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (5 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is MP with 9:spade:, Q:heart:. 1 fold, BB calls.Flop: (4.50 SB) 5:club:, J:diamond:, 4:club: (2 players)BB checks, wrto bets, wrto calls.Turn: (4.25 BB) J:club: (2 players)BB bets, wrto folds.Final Pot: 5.25 BBNo showdown. BB wins 5.25 BB.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (4 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is UTG with 8:club:, Q:club:. wrto raises, wrto calls, SB calls.I switched up my play a little.Flop: (12 SB) 4:club:, 8:diamond:, Q:diamond: (3 players)SB checks, BB bets, SB folds, BB calls.Turn: (8 BB) K:spade: (2 players)BB checks, wrto bets, BB calls.River: (10 BB) 2:spade: (2 players)BB checks, wrto bets, BB folds.Final Pot: 11 BBwrto has 8c Qc (two pair, queens and eights). Outcome: wrto wins 11 BB.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I finally get him. :twisted: Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (5 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is UTG with A:club:, A:heart:. wrto raises, wrto calls.Flop: (7 SB) 9:heart:, 2:club:, 6:spade: (2 players)SB bets, wrto calls.Turn: (6.50 BB) J:heart: (2 players)SB bets, SB calls.River: (14.50 BB) K:spade: (2 players)SB checks, wrto bets, SB calls.Final Pot: 16.50 BBSB has Ad 9c (one pair, nines). wrto has Ac Ah (one pair, aces). Outcome: wrto wins 16.50 BB. OWNED!-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------This was what I was talking about...Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (5 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is UTG with T:heart:, A:club:. wrto raises.Flop: (5 SB) Q:club:, 9:diamond:, 4:heart: (2 players)SB bets, wrto folds.Final Pot: 3 BBNo showdown. SB wins 3 BB.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (5 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is UTG with Q:club:, T:diamond:. wrto raises.Final Pot: 1.75 BBNo showdown. wrto wins 1.75 BB.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I think the rest are UTG hands. Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (3 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is BB with K:spade:, A:diamond:. Button raises, wrto calls.Flop: (8.50 SB) 3:heart:, 8:diamond:, A:spade: (2 players)wrto checks, Button bets, wrto calls.Turn: (5.25 BB) 7:heart: (2 players)wrto bets, Button folds.Final Pot: 10.25 BBNo showdown. wrto wins 10.25 BB.I play good.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (4 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is BB with A:club:, 4:heart:. 2 folds, SB calls.Flop: (6 SB) 8:club:, 3:diamond:, J:club: (2 players)SB bets, wrto calls.Turn: (4 BB) K:club: (2 players)SB checks, wrto bets, SB calls.River: (6 BB) 3:club: (2 players)SB bets, SB calls.Final Pot: 10 BBSB has 3s Ah (three of a kind, threes).wrto has Ac 4h (flush, ace high). Outcome: wrto wins 10 BB. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------This guy was hitting every single flop. I decided to try and defend my blind.Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (5 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is BB with 4:diamond:, K:diamond:. 2 folds, SB calls, wrto calls.Flop: (6 SB) 3:heart:, 4:heart:, 9:diamond: (3 players)SB checks, wrto bets, SB folds, wrto calls.Turn: (5 BB) 7:diamond: (2 players)wrto checks, Button bets, wrto calls.River: (7 BB) 9:club: (2 players)wrto checks, Button bets, wrto calls.Final Pot: 9 BBButton has Td 9h (three of a kind, nines). wrto has 4d Kd (two pair, nines and fours). Outcome: Button wins 9 BB.*sigh*------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Semi-bluffs work.Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (4 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is BB with T:heart:, J:heart:. 1 fold, wrto calls.Flop: (4.50 SB) A:diamond:, 5:club:, 7:spade: (2 players)wrto checks, Button checks.Turn: (2.25 BB) 9:diamond: (2 players)wrto bets, Button folds.Final Pot: 3.25 BBNo showdown. wrto wins 3.25 BB.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (4 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is BB with T:club:, J:spade:. 1 fold, Button calls.Flop: (4.50 SB) 6:heart:, T:spade:, 2:spade: (2 players)wrto bets, Button calls.Turn: (3.25 BB) 3:club: (2 players)wrto bets, Button calls.River: (5.25 BB) 7:heart: (2 players)wrto bets, Button calls.Final Pot: 7.25 BBButton has Jc 2c (one pair, twos). wrto has Tc Js (one pair, tens). Outcome: wrto wins 7.25 BB.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I bluff good.Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (3 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is BB with 3:diamond:, 3:spade:. Button calls, SB completes, wrto checks.Flop: (3 SB) J:club:, T:club:, 2:club: (3 players)SB checks, wrto checks, Button bets, SB folds, wrto calls.Turn: (2.50 BB) K:club: (2 players)wrto bets, Button folds.Final Pot: 3.50 BBNo showdown. wrto wins 3.50 BB.Who knows, though...I could have had the best hand.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The rest are SB hands. Watch me raise.Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (4 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is SB with T:club:, A:diamond:. 2 folds, BB calls.Flop: (4 SB) 8:spade:, Q:diamond:, 5:spade: (2 players)wrto bets, wrto calls.Turn: (4 BB) T:diamond: (2 players)wrto checks, BB bets, BB calls.River: (8 BB) A:spade: (2 players)wrto bets, BB calls.Final Pot: 10 BBBB has 3h 5c (one pair, fives). wrto has Tc Ad (two pair, aces and tens). Outcome: wrto wins 10 BB.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (3 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is SB with 8:club:, A:diamond:. 1 fold, BB calls.Flop: (8 SB) 9:heart:, 7:club:, 5:diamond: (2 players)wrto bets, BB calls.Turn: (5 BB) J:spade: (2 players)wrto bets, BB folds.Final Pot: 6 BBNo showdown. wrto wins 6 BB.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (4 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is SB with A:club:, 7:spade:. 2 folds, BB calls.Flop: (4 SB) 4:diamond:, 8:heart:, 7:diamond: (2 players)wrto bets, BB calls.Turn: (3 BB) 4:spade: (2 players)wrto bets, wrto calls.River: (7 BB) J:heart: (2 players)wrto checks, BB bets, wrto calls.Final Pot: 9 BBBB has 5d 4c (three of a kind, fours). wrto has Ac 7s (two pair, sevens and fours). Outcome: BB wins 9 BB.After this hand he says: "Man, are you going to raise my blind everytime?"I say: "Pretty much."--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I think he was getting frustrated.Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (4 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is SB with 6:club:, A:diamond:. 2 folds, BB calls.Flop: (4 SB) 2:club:, J:spade:, A:club: (2 players)wrto bets, wrto calls.Turn: (4 BB) 7:diamond: (2 players)wrto checks, BB bets, wrto calls.River: (10 BB) 8:diamond: (2 players)wrto checks, BB bets, wrto calls.Final Pot: 12 BBBB has 5c Tc (high card, ace). wrto has 6c Ad (one pair, aces). Outcome: wrto wins 12 BB. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------He finally played back at me.Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (4 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is SB with Q:heart:, T:spade:. 2 folds, wrto calls.Flop: (6 SB) 3:spade:, K:diamond:, 6:club: (2 players)wrto checks, BB bets, wrto calls.Turn: (4 BB) 7:spade: (2 players)wrto checks, BB bets, wrto folds.Final Pot: 5 BBNo showdown. BB wins 5 BB.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------There are still some hands I left out...but it's mostly me raising and picking up the blinds. Nothing very exciting.Questions and comments are always appreciated.

[akishore 0]

wrto, this is awesome.thanks man.i'll post questions soon.aseem

[Absolute 0]

shut up wrtojkyou are pretty good at this short handed businessshut up

[MrNiceGuy 0]

Nice post - good hands.Questions on a couple of them:

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (4 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is Button with J:spade:, A:club:.    UTG raises, UTG calls.Flop: (7.50 SB) 6:spade:, 7:spade:, 4:club: (2 players)UTG checks, wrto bets, UTG calls.Turn: (4.75 BB) 2:diamond: (2 players)UTG checks, wrto bets, wrto calls.River: (8.75 BB) 5:club: (2 players)UTG bets, wrto calls.Final Pot: 10.75 BBI seen him c/r the turn a little too much when starting so I looked him up with A-high.UTG has Qd Qh (one pair, queens).  wrto has Js Ac (high card, ace).  Outcome: UTG wins 10.75 BB.

Two questions:1. Reraise preflop with AJo? EDIT: nm this one, for some reason I was thinking it was 6-handed and not 4-handed2. If he c/r the turn a lot, why not take the free card on the turn?

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (3 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is Button with Q:spade:, K:heart:.    wrto raises, BB calls.Flop: (4.50 SB) 4:spade:, J:club:, 8:club: (2 players)BB checks, wrto bets, BB calls.Turn: (3.25 BB) 9:heart: (2 players)BB checks, wrto checks.The last thing I want is to be c/red here. I have 2 overcards and a gut shot. I take the free card.....River: (3.25 BB) 6:club: (2 players)BB bets, wrto calls...........and try to pick off a bluff.Final Pot: 5.25 BBBB has Jh As (one pair, jacks).  wrto has Qs Kh (high card, king).  Outcome: BB wins 5.25 BB.

Ok, so you took the free card here; difference this time is you have a gutshot and you can't beat most hands that he would call you on the flop with - but in that case, do you think it's worth calling him down on the river?

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (5 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is MP with 9:spade:, A:spade:.    1 fold, BB calls.Flop: (4.50 SB) J:club:, 4:spade:, 5:heart: (2 players)BB bets, wrto calls.Turn: (3.25 BB) K:heart: (2 players)BB bets, wrto calls.River: (5.25 BB) A:club: (2 players)BB bets, BB calls.Final Pot: 9.25 BBSame dude with Q6.BB has Jd Qh (one pair, jacks).  wrto has 9s As (one pair, aces).  Outcome: wrto wins 9.25 BB.

Nice!

I finally get him.  :twisted:  Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (5 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is UTG with A:club:, A:heart:.    wrto raises, wrto calls.Flop: (7 SB) 9:heart:, 2:club:, 6:spade: (2 players)SB bets, wrto calls.Turn: (6.50 BB) J:heart: (2 players)SB bets, SB calls.River: (14.50 BB) K:spade: (2 players)SB checks, wrto bets, SB calls.Final Pot: 16.50 BBSB has Ad 9c (one pair, nines).  wrto has Ac Ah (one pair, aces).  Outcome: wrto wins 16.50 BB.  OWNED!

Sweet!

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (3 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is BB with K:spade:, A:diamond:.    Button raises, wrto calls.Flop: (8.50 SB) 3:heart:, 8:diamond:, A:spade: (2 players)wrto checks, Button bets, wrto calls.Turn: (5.25 BB) 7:heart: (2 players)wrto bets, Button folds.Final Pot: 10.25 BBNo showdown.  wrto wins 10.25 BB.

Nice - but I'm a little unclear on the turn lead after the flop check-call?

After this hand he says: "Man, are you going to raise my blind everytime?"I say: "Pretty much."--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I think he was getting frustrated.Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (4 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is SB with 6:club:, A:diamond:.    2 folds, BB calls.Flop: (4 SB) 2:club:, J:spade:, A:club: (2 players)wrto bets, wrto calls.Turn: (4 BB) 7:diamond: (2 players)wrto checks, BB bets, wrto calls.River: (10 BB) 8:diamond: (2 players)wrto checks, BB bets, wrto calls.Final Pot: 12 BBBB has 5c Tc (high card, ace).  wrto has 6c Ad (one pair, aces).  Outcome: wrto wins 12 BB.

LOL!

[Absolute 0]

Nice post - good hands.Questions on a couple of them:

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (4 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is Button with J:spade:, A:club:.    UTG raises, UTG calls.Flop: (7.50 SB) 6:spade:, 7:spade:, 4:club: (2 players)UTG checks, wrto bets, UTG calls.Turn: (4.75 BB) 2:diamond: (2 players)UTG checks, wrto bets, wrto calls.River: (8.75 BB) 5:club: (2 players)UTG bets, wrto calls.Final Pot: 10.75 BBI seen him c/r the turn a little too much when starting so I looked him up with A-high.UTG has Qd Qh (one pair, queens).  wrto has Js Ac (high card, ace).  Outcome: UTG wins 10.75 BB.

Two questions:1. Reraise preflop with AJo?2. If he c/r the turn a lot, why not take the free card on the turn?

3-bet PF with AJo in position 4 handed?all day all night and then again the next day

[brando 0]

Couple questions:Say you're playing 6 handed1. K 10s (UTG)-Folding seems weak, raising??, I hate limping2. QJs (UTG)3. A9o (UTG)I'm having trouble figuring out what to do with these hands (and similar) UTG.

[MrNiceGuy 0]

3-bet PF with AJo in position 4 handed?all day all night and then again the next day

Sorry - I totally missed that it was only 4-handed on that hand.

[wrto4556 0]

Nice - but I'm a little unclear on the turn lead after the flop check-call?

Doesn't the turn bet looks suspicious? An aggressive player will raise with alot of things right there and I can 3-bet with my TPTK.Why didn't I take the free card with AJ. I felt like I could take down the pot right there and felt like I had the best hand, too.KQ> Yeah I could probably pick off a bluff 1 in 4 times. I checked the turn...lots of weakness in that check.Brando, let me go get a real good link for you.

[wrto4556 0]

All SH players MUST read this.It's just a guide, keep in mind.

[brando 0]

Thanks wrto*sigh* Final in 1/2 hour and I'm reading poker strategy, go figure

[brando 0]

That figures,2 out of the 3 hands I asked about it says R/C (raise call).Any further input wrto

[MrNiceGuy 0]

Brando: Here's an article that I think really helped the way I think about shorthanded games:http://www.twoplustwo.com/magazine/issue4/...miller0405.html

Doesn't the turn bet looks suspicious? An aggressive player will raise with alot of things right there and I can 3-bet with my TPTK.Why didn't I take the free card with AJ. I felt like I could take down the pot right there and felt like I had the best hand, too.KQ> Yeah I could probably pick off a bluff 1 in 4 times. I checked the turn...lots of weakness in that check.

The AK hand - Yeah the turn bet looks real fishy, but I guess you had a good read on your opponent; had it been me, I probably would've just called with all but my strongest hands (figuring if you had a hand like A7 or 77, I'd try to save money, and if you had something worse than me, I'd give you a chance to spend more on the river).Point taken on the AJ hand.The KQ hand, I was just thinking that I can't think of many hands that would call you preflop and again on the flop, even when 3-handed, that you could beat right here. KT, maybe? I can't think of anything else - even if he had a gutshot on the flop with QT, 56, etc., then it either got there or he paired.

[MrNiceGuy 0]

Sorry, double post edited out.

[wrto4556 0]

You know what, you're absolutely right about the KQ hand. I didn't even see that.

[Airabus 0]

wrto4556,I know this is a hot debate, but what advantages to your bottom line does playing SH vs Full Ring game give you?I appologize if this should be in another thread or place.

[wrto4556 0]

The most major one is that I'm an action junky. I love to see flops.The second, which has to do with the first one, is that you see more flops, therefore, make more decisions per 100 hands. If you play with bad players like at a full table those bad players are forced to make more decisions per 100 hands and are mostly incorrect. Ultimately, bad players make more mistakes that you can exploit in a short-handed game.Lastly, I still get a rush out of varience.

[Airabus 0]

The most major one is that I'm an action junky. I love to see flops.The second, which has to do with the first one, is that you see more flops, therefore, make more decisions per 100 hands. If you play with bad players like at a full table those bad players are forced to make more decisions per 100 hands and are mostly incorrect. Ultimately, bad players make more mistakes that you can exploit in a short-handed game.Lastly, I still get a rush out of varience.

Based on your stats do you think you make more per 100 SH or Full Ring?BTW, I would really have to practice SH to deal with a guy like you at the table.

[wrto4556 0]

I can't answer that question, unfortunatly. The sites that I play shorthanded on don't have hand histories. This was an FCP game that stayed short through the whole thing so I took the oppertunity to post a few SH hand histories.When I move up to 5/10 6-max I will have that info.

[Airabus 0]

I can't answer that question, unfortunatly. The sites that I play shorthanded on don't have hand histories. This was an FCP game that stayed short through the whole thing so I took the oppertunity to post a few SH hand histories.When I move up to 5/10 6-max I will have that info.

Cool, thanks for responding.I have been following your race. Are you planning on playing 5/10 Full first or go straight to 5/10 6 max. I am about to move to the 5/10 on party myself.

[wrto4556 0]

Everyone is telling me the 5/10 6-max is better than the full.I'm building a $5,000 roll just for 5/10 6-max.Then I move to 10/20 6-max.

[Blackchipper 0]

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (5 handed) converter Preflop: wrto is Button with A, T. 2 folds, wrto raises, 1 fold, BB calls. Flop: (4.50 SB) 9, 4, Q (2 players) BB bets, wrto calls. This guy is catching alot of cards. He's been calling from the BB with any two cards and leading the flop. I finally get a hand worthy of calling him down. Turn: (3.25 BB) J (2 players) BB bets, wrto raises, BB calls. Semi-bluff/value raise River: (7.25 BB) 5 (2 players) BB checks, wrto checks. Final Pot: 7.25 BB BB has 6c Qs (one pair, queens). wrto has As Td (high card, ace). Outcome: BB wins 7.25 BB. hmm, the raise pre-flop is appropriate as is the call on the flop. The raise on the turn is not really a good play in my mind. If he's first to act on the flop and you even mention that hes been catchin cards and it woudn't be crazy for him to flip up Q 6 like he did, then why the raise with only a gutshot and one over? If you woulda put him on a weird/weak Q, he wouldn't fold to a lower card on the turn. but when you say semi-bluff/value raise thats when i really got confused... you only have 7 outs that will improve your hand.. had you had those 7 outs plus a flush draw, i could see it as an appropriate value-raise with +EV, but it really just struck me as odd.don't get me wrong though, almost all of the other hands were played extremely well

[balvord 0]

What do you do when you end up at a table with someone who has a similar aggressive style to yours in a short handed game? Do you switch tables, or do you start to scrap with 'em? I play a similar style to this on the 3/6 games on Party, and while I think it's probably +EV to just move tables when encountering a fellow LAG (especially to my left), I tend to get too caught up in my own testosterone and want to take the guy down. Do you adjust to another aggressive player's style, or do you try to make him/her adjust to you?

[Airabus 0]

Everyone is telling me the 5/10 6-max is better than the full.I'm building a $5,000 roll just for 5/10 6-max.Then I move to 10/20 6-max.

Hmm. I may have to adjust my thinking. I have been datamining 5/10 Full for about a month now. Based on a cursory look at the data I think it is more loose than the 3/6. I shudder to think of the action at the 6-max tables. 8) Although if you look at the Avg Pot size 6-max tables are always at the top.

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I've been watching some 6-max 5/10 tables as I'm playing 3/6, just to kind of scope them out for the future. Some of those tables are absolutely absurd with the action. Must be some huge variance up there. I saw a guy go from down to the felt back up to $350 or so in about 15 minutes last night.

[MrNiceGuy 0]

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (5 handed) converter  Preflop: wrto is Button with A, T.  2 folds, wrto raises, 1 fold, BB calls.  Flop: (4.50 SB) 9, 4, Q (2 players)  BB bets, wrto calls.  This guy is catching alot of cards. He's been calling from the BB with any two cards and leading the flop. I finally get a hand worthy of calling him down.  Turn: (3.25 BB) J (2 players)  BB bets, wrto raises, BB calls.  Semi-bluff/value raise  River: (7.25 BB) 5 (2 players)  BB checks, wrto checks.  Final Pot: 7.25 BB  BB has 6c Qs (one pair, queens).  wrto has As Td (high card, ace).  Outcome: BB wins 7.25 BB. hmm, the raise pre-flop is appropriate as is the call on the flop.  The raise on the turn is not really a good play in my mind.  If he's first to act on the flop and you even mention that hes been catchin cards and it woudn't be crazy for him to flip up Q 6 like he did, then why the raise with only a gutshot and one over?  If you woulda put him on a weird/weak Q, he wouldn't fold to a lower card on the turn.  but when you say semi-bluff/value raise thats when i really got confused... you only have 7 outs that will improve your hand.. had you had those 7 outs plus a flush draw, i could see it as an appropriate value-raise with +EV, but it really just struck me as odd.don't get me wrong though, almost all of the other hands were played extremely well

He has an OESD, not a gutshot.Actually, I think I really like this play - given what wrto said about the BB, he could easily have just a pair of nines or fours here (unless he would get scared of the second overcard and not bet the turn with those hands).Such hands (or a weak pocket pair) would have a tough time calling the turn raise. It's a semibluff/value-raise because he's not totally sure he's behind (if he's ahead, then he wants to raise for value here).Plus, it got him a free showdown.