iggymcfly 0 Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Just thought that people might find it amusing to comment on the turn action here. 1st in the tourney is $20,000 and 2nd is $12,000. First to two matches wins. I'm playing as my usual aggressive self, running at about 50/35/5.2. For some annoying reason, I can't find bugstud's stats in my database, but he's playing about 65/45/1.7 HU (postflop aggression exactly accurate, other stats somewhat of a guess). In other annoying news, apparently every HH converter around is terribly confused by the private tourneys on stars so here's an unconverted HH.POKERSTARS GAME #15746505223: TOURNAMENT #79705528, $0.01+$0.00 OMAHA POT LIMIT - MATCH ROUND I, LEVEL I (5/10) - 2008/03/04 - 20:57:55 (ET)Table '79705528 1' 2-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: iggymcfly (3305 in chips) Seat 2: bugstud (1695 in chips) bugstud: posts small blind 5iggymcfly: posts big blind 10*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to iggymcfly [Ac 6h 9h Ah]bugstud: raises 20 to 30iggymcfly: raises 60 to 90bugstud: calls 60*** FLOP *** [Jd Qc 8h]iggymcfly: bets 180bugstud: calls 180*** TURN *** [Jd Qc 8h] [3h]To make it easier on you, I turned the NFD with 3 hearts in my hand, there are no other flush draws available, the pot is 540 going into the turn and bugstud has 1425 left in his stack. Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 I probably fire again. He hasn't given you any reason to think you're behind yet - if he had a straight or 2p you should have found out on the flop. I probably lead for about 350 and see what he does.Oh - and WTG! Link to post Share on other sites
BudBundy 0 Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 That's a good rainbow flop to trap tho. I don't know what he can be calling flop with other than two pairs or set or nuts unless you guys play top pair in HU.OOP sucks even in HU. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 That's a good rainbow flop to trap tho. I don't know what he can be calling flop with other than two pairs or set or nuts unless you guys play top pair in HU.Seat 1: iggymcfly (2175 in chips)Seat 2: bugstud (2825 in chips)iggymcfly: posts small blind 5bugstud: posts big blind 10*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to iggymcfly [Kc Js 9c Td]iggymcfly: raises 20 to 30bugstud: raises 60 to 90iggymcfly: raises 180 to 270bugstud: calls 180*** FLOP *** [3c Ts Ks]bugstud: checksiggymcfly: bets 440bugstud: calls 440*** TURN *** [3c Ts Ks] [9h]bugstud: bets 1420iggymcfly: raises 45 to 1465 and is all-inbugstud: calls 45*** RIVER *** [3c Ts Ks 9h] [4c]*** SHOW DOWN ***bugstud: shows [8d 9d 3h 4s] (two pair, Nines and Fours)iggymcfly: shows [Kc Js 9c Td] (two pair, Kings and Tens)iggymcfly collected 4350 from potJust to give some idea of how LAG the game was. Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Posted March 5, 2008 Author Share Posted March 5, 2008 Well, that hand you posted is a pretty ridiculous spot. It was my 2nd 4-bet in 45 minutes, so he was putting me 100% on AA and probably thought he could steal on the turn if a straight or flush card came. It was the biggest mistake bugstud made the whole tourney and far and away the worst he got it in though.Also, if you're leading for 350, what are your plans for dealing with a shove? Are you bet/folding or bet/calling. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Well, that hand you posted is a pretty ridiculous spot. It was my 2nd 4-bet in 45 minutes, so he was putting me 100% on AA and probably thought he could steal on the turn if a straight or flush card came. It was the biggest mistake bugstud made the whole tourney and far and away the worst he got it in though.Also, if you're leading for 350, what are your plans for dealing with a shove? Are you bet/folding or bet/calling.My problems with this hand:- Don't want to give a free card to a pair+gutshot hand or some thing like it. - Don't want to bet, get raised and have to think about folding an overpair and nfd.My first instinct is to check/shove. I hate bet/fold because he can probably shove with worse hands/draws.I can't see that c/c is right with the stacks as they are. C/c turn, C/f river ui has to be way too weak, and if we are c/c both streets regardless it's clearly better to c/r.I think it's pretty close between bet/call and check/shove. Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Posted March 6, 2008 Author Share Posted March 6, 2008 My first instinct is to check/shove.Ding ding ding! The thing is that when I first check, it looks really weak and he has to fire everything including AKJ, KJx, KQJ, QTx, etc., so I get max value when I'm ahead. OTOH, when I check/raise, it looks really strong and he's probably going to have to fold several hands that he has the odds to call with. He can't really check behind the small two pairs that he'll have to fold to a raise, so I'm also getting fold equity against hands that I'm beating. It works two ways. Comparing it to bet/calling, I think I get called less often while also getting dead money from some hands that would fold to a lead. The only thing that hurts me is when he takes a free card, but since I'm C-betting so often after 3-betting preflop, I think the weakness implicit there forces him to bet the turn a ton.On to the results:*** TURN *** [Jd Qc 8h] [3h]iggymcfly: checks bugstud: bets 540iggymcfly: raises 1620 to 2160bugstud: folds iggymcfly collected 1620 from potiggymcfly: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 1620 | Rake 0 Board [Jd Qc 8h 3h]Seat 1: iggymcfly (big blind) collected (1620)Seat 2: bugstud (button) (small blind) folded on the Turn Link to post Share on other sites
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