Nutcracker 0 Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 This hand brought up a few questions on pretty common situations.PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (8 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is BB with [Ks], [4s]. UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, UTG calls.Is it too loose to call here? I doubt UTG will limp raise, so I figure it's about 7:1 Flop: (8.40 SB) [3d], [6s], [7s] (4 players)Hero checks, UTG bets, UTG calls, MP1 calls.Pick up a gutshot draw and king high flush draw. I figure I might as well get as much money in right now, as I'm well more than 33% to win at this point. I think the term is pot equity or some junk. Is this correct reasoning?Turn: (8.70 BB) [Tc] (3 players)Hero checks, UTG checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls, UTG calls.Should I bet betting here?River: (11.70 BB) [5c] (3 players)Hero bets, UTG calls, MP1 calls.Final Pot: 14.70 BBEasy bet on end. My temptation to C/r here is just FPS and betting is the best line, right? Link to post Share on other sites
Vade 0 Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 Fold preflop. K-x suited is a terribly overrated hand. I'd say that even with 3 others in the pot, it's not really worth it. But let's analyze further.I like your flop 3-bet. Maintains control of the hand, and your opponent clearly isn't that thrilled with his hand.Turn you should be betting again. The 10 doesn't help your opponent most likely.And obviously you got a river card to suckout with Link to post Share on other sites
wrto4556 0 Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 NO!! Don't fold preflop. It looks like you have some postflop skills.If there are 3+ people in the pot, I will call a raise from the BB with any two suited. K4s is just like A4s kinda. Link to post Share on other sites
Vade 0 Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 NO!! Don't fold preflop. It looks like you have some postflop skills.If there are 3+ people in the pot, I will call a raise from the BB with any two suited. K4s is just like A4s kinda.I find this funny for some reason Link to post Share on other sites
HtotheNootch 0 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 I have to go with wrto here. Even if I'm not the player he is, I can read SSHE and remember paragraphs here and there. According to the Bible. He absolutely should call multi-way from the BB with K-4 suited or for that matter pretty much any two suited cards.If you dispute this, I refer you to page 262, of SSHE. Link to post Share on other sites
Devilkin 0 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 I agree with wrto - multiway pot, you play this hand in the BB. Disregard anyone saying not to play this hand.Dev Link to post Share on other sites
wrto4556 0 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 This hand was played perfect. I shed a tear. Link to post Share on other sites
Roark_8 0 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 This hand was played perfect. I shed a tear.Really? I say this with humbleness to your knowledge. But there's no argument for leading the flop? Or what about betting the turn? Roark-8 Link to post Share on other sites
KDawgCometh 2 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 This hand was played perfect. I shed a tear.Really? I say this with humbleness to your knowledge. But there's no argument for leading the flop? Or what about betting the turn? Roark-8you like $$ right. if so the OP played it just fine. He was able to get more people involved CR threebetting,a nd there is no fold equity on his multiditude of draws on the turn. THe river is fine since maybe it will get raised, but he was right to just go out and bet at it to make sure he would get in overcalls Link to post Share on other sites
Absolute 0 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 would you dorks stop jerking off in this thread Link to post Share on other sites
cdddc75 0 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 would you dorks stop jerking off in this threadI take it you're still trying to shake the smokes? Link to post Share on other sites
Absolute 0 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 would you dorks stop jerking off in this threadI take it you're still trying to shake the smokes?yessireeunsuccessfully lately Link to post Share on other sites
cdddc75 0 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 would you dorks stop jerking off in this threadI take it you're still trying to shake the smokes?yessireeunsuccessfully latelyDamn.Keep trying. Link to post Share on other sites
Roark_8 0 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 you like $$ right. if so the OP played it just fine. He was able to get more people involved CR threebetting,a nd there is no fold equity on his multiditude of draws on the turn. THe river is fine since maybe it will get raised, but he was right to just go out and bet at it to make sure he would get in overcallsJust so I'm getting this, he had enough pot equity (11 outs) to try and trap for the most bets on the flop, but not enough to be the aggressor on the turn? If this is the case, I agree with you on how it was played. I forgot that there was a PF raise and was scared it would be checked around. But the PF rase changes things. Roark-8 Link to post Share on other sites
dms26 3 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 This hand was played perfect. I shed a tear.Wouldn't you lead the turn with a bet? If I three bet the flop no way I'm checking up front on the turn.Other than that I like the play. Link to post Share on other sites
Nutcracker 0 Posted May 5, 2005 Author Share Posted May 5, 2005 This hand was played perfect. I shed a tear.Wouldn't you lead the turn with a bet? If I three bet the flop no way I'm checking up front on the turn.That was my main question about this hand as well. I think my 3-bet flop may buy me a free card here though (that was my secondary goal by check-3betting the flop), as they'd fear another check/raise. And I don't think pot equity is there to try to get more bets in at this point. Can someone answer this? Link to post Share on other sites
wrto4556 0 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 Why would you bet the turn with K-high? Link to post Share on other sites
dms26 3 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 Why would you bet the turn with K-high?Point takenHow many outs would you need to bet the turn, he does have a strong draw? Link to post Share on other sites
wrto4556 0 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 It matters how many people are in. If you have an equity edge you should bet.Say the flush. You have 9 outs so you are winning about 20% of the time on the turn. So, there has to be 5+ players to make it a value bet. Link to post Share on other sites
Nutcracker 0 Posted May 5, 2005 Author Share Posted May 5, 2005 I didn't bet out because I didn't have equity with only 2 others in (with 12 outs, I needed at least 3 others in). It really felt weird after check/3-betting the flop though, so I didn't know if I was missing something. Link to post Share on other sites
KDawgCometh 2 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 It matters how many people are in. If you have an equity edge you should bet.Say the flush. You have 9 outs so you are winning about 20% of the time on the turn. So, there has to be 5+ players to make it a value bet.but remember, he also has three non-spade 5s and lets give one out for the weak king. Now granted that doesn't give us enough of an equity edge to bet out the turn, but its added outs besides the fkush draw Link to post Share on other sites
BetItAll33 0 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 I didn't bet out because I didn't have equity with only 2 others in (with 12 outs, I needed at least 3 others in). It really felt weird after check/3-betting the flop though, so I didn't know if I was missing something.9 spades + 4 5's = 13 outs.If your kings are clean, that's another 3 outs, for 16. At that point, you have a slight equity edge, even with only 2 others in the pot. Link to post Share on other sites
dms26 3 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 I didn't bet out because I didn't have equity with only 2 others in (with 12 outs, I needed at least 3 others in). It really felt weird after check/3-betting the flop though, so I didn't know if I was missing something.9 spades + 4 5's = 13 outs.If your kings are clean, that's another 3 outs, for 16. At that point, you have a slight equity edge, even with only 2 others in the pot.1 of the 5's is a spade, so 12 outs. Link to post Share on other sites
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